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We got it wrong on warming, says IPCC

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Careful there Jo, you're skirting with an ETS!
Posted by Luciferase, Saturday, 21 September 2013 9:45:18 PM
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Paul and Lucy,
The warmist scientists cannot explain why the temps have not risen even though we are emitting record amounts of CO2.

You will note that the article I linked to was written by Bob Carter himself and not by a staffer. That is far more credible than something written by a smh journo, trying to disparage somebody.

Your man Tim simply cannot get any predictions right.

You still cannot tell me why humans can influence world climate, but have no influence over other natural events, like tides, volcanos and earthquakes. Despite millions spent, we cannot even make it rain when we want.

There is no factual evidence that humans cause global warming or cooling and I will change my mind when that is proven fact. I have faith that Tim or big Al will let us all know if that happens.
Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 21 September 2013 11:19:19 PM
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"The warmist scientists cannot explain why the temps have not risen even though we are emitting record amounts of CO2." Quote Banjo.

Yes the can and the reasoning is well supported by the facts.

A few simple facts it takes some 350 times more energy to heat water than it does to heat the same quantity of air.

Global surface temperatures are still increasing albeit more slowly over the last decade.

Due to an increases in a range of green house gases the amount of energy coming in is now out of balance with the amount of energy escaping. This energy has to go somewhere and in fact 98% of it is absorbed by the oceans. We can measure global sea surface temperature relatively easily, but ideally we need to measure the average temperatures of all of the sea water. The ocean's temperature profile goes from warm on top to cold at the bottom in some places it goes from nearly 30 degs C at the surface to around 4 degs C at the sea bed. There are various places and situations where the cold water from the depths is pushed to the surface. This in turn leads to differences in surface temperatures. These changes may take decades to produce an average average change in global temperatures, but yet over the last 50 years we have not had a period grater than a 2 or 3 years when surface temperatures have declined. The trend is Unequivocally upwards.
Posted by warmair, Sunday, 22 September 2013 9:11:00 AM
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In order to change the tides, we would have to change the orbit of the moon.
To create a volcano, we would have to find a thin spot in the Earth's crust, preferably over a magma bubble, and drop some serious nukes. A tsunami could conceivably be created in much the same way, although you'd probably have to target a fault.
Continental drift would be a challenge.
To change the atmosphere, however, all we'd need to do is convert 9958 million tonnes of non renewable fossil material into atmospheric pollution every year. The evidence that a change can be effected is visual; just look at the dirty purple haze that hangs over virtually every city in the world.
Then consider that most of that purple haze is created by motor vehicles (most coal fired powered power stations are located outside cities).
Now consider that just the 16 largest container ships create more pollution than all the motor vehicles in the world.
Bob Carter (financed by Big Oil, by no strange coincidence) admits to humans putting 7 billion tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere, a figure he describes as “trivial”.
Imagine sitting on a see-saw above a shark pool. The see-saw is in balance, 200b. Tonnes of co2 coming in, 200b. Tonnes going out.
Then somebody drops another 7b. Tonnes on your end.
Loudmouth is quite correct in suggesting that planting trees would help. This was first suggested by Freeman Dyson, quite some years ago. You would first have to compensate for or eliminate the current practice of cutting down trees at the rate of 3200 acres every hour, and of course it doesn't in any way address the egregious waste of non renewable resources.
Sadly, recent studies suggest more co2 is removed from the atmosphere by ocean flora than by terrestrial forests; and that flora is being adversely affected by rising acidification -also caused by rising co2 levels in the atmosphere.
Posted by Grim, Sunday, 22 September 2013 9:34:51 AM
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try to see..the simple..things
we SIT*..upon..a HOT*iron core..yet dont get burned

how could this be?
hot air rises..[till the deep freeze
of outer space cools it..and it descends/recirculates..back down..to earth

tell..me..which heat..
is keeping us from freezing?
or which cold..cools?

see that effect..or your self
put..your hand in the fridge..[but as iwrite..my guides
remind me[our atmosphere..is as thin..as an apple skin..

[do you see the insanity..of saying..anytime/soon
we are going..to be boiling to death?

get over it mankind
realize how puny..we really are

ahhhh-men
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 22 September 2013 11:07:44 AM
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Grim, the see-saw analogy is good. I also like the half-full bathtub which is emptying at the drain at same rate as it is being filled by a tap, maintaining a constant water level. Then along comes a man to add a bucket of water each year until the bath overflows.

The other I like is the reference always to no temperature increase for however many years as it takes to get us back to 1998, a peak year. The share market analogy is good here as everyone knows the market inexorably rises while there are peaks and troughs within around the trendline.

Yet another is the ocean wave analogy where a large wave at low tide can reach as far onto the beach as small one at high tide and neither wave can tell us whether the tide is coming in or going out.
Posted by Luciferase, Sunday, 22 September 2013 11:35:35 AM
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