peter/sells..has an article..[3 pages long
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15467&page=0

i will/begin..replying it..here

<<..Where..do we place//*abstraction..on
the..polarity..between idealists..and realists?..>>..

ideal-ists/god
real-ists/spirit
abstraction-ism/soul

there is no pole-mic

<<..Kandinsky/wrote..that abstraction
was..a re-present-ation..of the soul,>>

sounds right..but
where did..that lead?

soulful/representation..<<in which case
it would seem..to/be firmly..in the camp of the idealists
..*being..to do with the..interior>>..

...{UNSEEN]..
..<<..world of the mind...>>

<<..But..do abstract/works..represent the soul,>>..

no..the soul..forms
around..the polar flux..between h+h
betwixt between..unholy/holy and wholly-spirit

<<..or is that..mere pretension?>>

yes..the pre-tense of
pre-tensions../project-ions..of ego
ergo..<<..What does he mean..by "soul"?..>>

can be implied
unles.. he inadvertently..lied

<<..Does he mean..the thoughts
and..feelings..that play..in/our consciousness,>>

no..
know thats just..mind fluff/karmic stuff/..from spirits
feeding off..our good/thought..or vile/implus..
dependent..on their style/passion/want

<<..or does./he refer to..the soul
of mind body..dualism,..whatever that is?>>

see
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

our soul/body..call..it say/an aural/body
then..there is..your flesh/body..
then there..is you..

within/both..youis formed
via flux/flows..of gods holy living spirit
sustaining the new born spirit..encased..here..in the flesh body

in the next..our/soul body..
then..our..true..eternal/form..body..of light

gods/life flux..able to/be seem..
via a silver cord..coming to..the center..
leaving from...flowing though..;our very being..via top of head..positive..to negative..said to flow..directly..from hell
via the feet..

[thus the insult..of showing ones/heel]
[in the old days..that meant..watch it..your going directly..to hell]
[so they tell]

<<..Although..I have at/times..enjoyed abstraction,>>

BUT..not with johan9..this time?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15341&page=0

<<..I experience..no feeling
that..something profoundly..soulful..is being evoked,>>

thats where your wrong..
SIN-full/soulful/wonderful.
later you mention..the piss christ
any feeling whatsoever..potentially..gives aid/comfort unto demons..[or angels]

<<..merely//a skilful application>?>

of..the/forces..
that..in-spired...the work

be it..<<..of paint..to produce.
.[either]..a pleasing picture..to comfort>>../sooth.

or dantes/inferno..for..demons/food..[energy]

<<..Here..is the rub,..since abstract/art..
(from..what is it..abstracted?)>>..

GOT..inspired..by angels or demon's
whatever assistance..their mindset attracts
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Wanderer_a4.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

mine..is a chain smoker..but
heck..who..to criticize..anyone's guides

THE/CAUSE..of the abstract
comes..via the mind..

my mind/projects..infinitude..of faces
but words..attract the//lovers..of words/smiths..if its word..

the songbird..if song

demons..as much/as angels
i accept all/of..their inputs
then though..my moral filter..[of mind]..
which..sort's that dross/chaff..from the wheat..

that..*i want written
into my own paragraph..in book of life
wrote/by rote..[by my work]s..as much as our words

plus..[that smallest
littlest/member..[the tongue]
that so easily..promises more..than..we could humanly ever deliver..[yet have eternity..to pay/off..in full..[by love/grace/mercy]

<<..it panders..to the disconnection
of the self..from the real,>>

exactly../surreal..aint it?

(<<..are we bodies..or minds?)>>..
we are spirit..
ALLOWED..an incarnate..
self/autonomous..flesh/body..

that builds/forms..
informs..our minds-eye
but..we are..essentially..spirit..[ie mind]..

mindfully..within..the body of christ0'

i edited..post from
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0
at

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15341&page=0

now..try to clean..it up

when i say chist..
im meaning the chist spirit..
as foretold christs mum..ye shall..call/him..[Emanuel]....

GOD..with in us all

thus=you..the essence/..spirit/..id..
animating..life..<<[with/in..ALl..
that IN*..you..with-in everyone

next..the question..i hope to put
to peter..re..Mathew/28/

source=atheist/commentary
http://atheism.about.com/od/biblegospelofmark/a/dating.htm

http://atheism.about.com/od/biblegospelofmark/a/mark12d.htm

<<..Mark/gospel..was written..in an environment
where Roman rule..was a constant presence...There are many clear signs that Mark..*has gone to great lengths..to absolve Romans of the responsibility..for Jesus’ death>>

<<..even to the point of..painting Pontius Pilate..as a weak, indecisive leader..rather than the brutal tyrant..that everyone knew him to be.>>

my point..
in quoting this..is to point out
that it waz first written..by say matthew..

but..ENDING..at 28;27..

quote..
<<..[now..i have told you]>>

but also
notice..the later edit..
by same author..at 28;10..

..<<..JESUS said;,,edit
<<..go tell my brothers*..>>

GO TELL..my..BROTHERS*
[the debate was re disciples/preaching]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

now
lets examin..the OTHER word..
replacing mathews word..christ SAID..brothers

ie..the word..[disciple]
first/used in 28;12..

[IS..something..HE COULDNT..bear witness to
because..it was FIRAST used at 28;10..by the..elders..
who met up..with priests..[even then..to fake/up things..

to poison the well..
and introduce creed/diciples etc

via saul/paul/letters
creating..the pauline creed

[the word..*THEY used..was disciples..]
NOT the word..jesus used.."brothers*..[28;10]

ok?
or correct..
where..i went wrong?

back to the athiest link

<<..Instead of the Romans,..Mark’s author.,.lays the blame with the Jews —primarily the leaders>>

me too

<<..but also to the rest
of..the people..to a certain* degree.>>

most certainly
when murder is done..
good men cannot stand by

<<..This would have made thing.. much easier for his audience. [pauline creed-ists]..Had the Romans discovered a religious movement focused upon a political revolutionary..executed for crimes against the state,..they would have clamped down much harder..than they already were doing.>>

or rather paul/saul..*was NOW..telling doing
hushing up..the christ..still living..[in spirit]
christ..now..only watching/karma..as saul..poisend the weell

by turning brothers
into...disciples

its basic karmic balance
dualism..to allow freewill
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

see gone west
or 30 years among the dead pdf's

<<..As it was..a religious movement..
focused upon..an obscure Jewish prophet
who broke..a few irrelevant Jewish laws thus..

thus could be largely ignored..when there weren’t
direct orders..from Rome..to increase the pressure.>>

because saul..[paul]..[christs
mortal-enemy]..was on..the job*
creating creed*..by creating disciples*..

WHERE clearly..christ..
only had...BRR-other..ie brothers*

its no bother brother
we need to clear..things up..soon
we need to find..the passion..to..*FIRST rebuild..christs divided church[re-unite BY RECOGNIZING..all opther called to christ/sects

appointing..the messengers/prophets..all
as saintly elders..true saints

then draw all creeds
back to the father..who sent men..many comforters..teachers..etc

we will be known..
as the people..of the loving
living good/god..and known..by our service to other

how about it brother?
brothers?..anyone want to help..join..the dots?

back to the athiest link

<<..Instead of the Romans,..Mark’s author.,.
lays the blame with the Jews —primarily the leaders>>

me too

when murder is done..
good men cannot idly stand by

we will be known..
as the people..of the loving/living good/god..
and known..by our service to other..as called..to serve..under christ

how about it brother?
brothers?..anyone want to help..join..the dots?

good men cannot stand by..and do nothing

link*<<..This would/have made things..
much easier..for his audience...[pauline creed-ists]..

Had the Romans..discovered..a religious movement focused upon a political revolutionary..executed for crimes/against the state,..they would have clamped down...much harder..than they already were doing.>>

so as usual..
its all..mixed blessings

or rather..see..paul/saul..
*was NOW..writing/telling/doing..his creed

hushing up..covering over..the gospil
personal witness..of the christ..still living on..[in spirit]
christ..now..only watching../karma..as saul..poisons..the well

please recall..

he had just DESTROYED..the davidian/levitic? CREED..
of RESECTION day..plus judgment day
by simply..coming back from death
by this..he destroyed..two creeds

and freed many..awaiting eternity..in limbo

saul..by turning brothers
into...disciples..hung jesus..on a cross..
in his own church..drank chists blood..feasted off \..christs flesh

or as you put it
real/ideal

a true artifice
its basic karmic balance
dualism..to allow freewill/choice
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

because saul..
[paul]..[christs..mortal-enemy]..got on..with the job*

creating creed*..ideal
by creating disciples*..

WHERE clearly..christ..
only had...Brother..ie brothers*

its no bother/brother
we need to clear..things up..soon
we need to find..the passion..to..*FIRST

*rebuild..christs..divided church
[re-unite BY RECOGNIZING..all other..called to christ
all xtian..creed/sects..we must re-unite christs torn divided heart

appointing..all Abrahamic sects priest/teachers/
as respected equals..and their messengers/prophets..all
as saintly elders..each..retaining their own creed./.yet as equal brother

put the true servants..into churches
and the true saints..on churches..not gargoyles

then draw..all creeds
back to..the father..who
sent men..many comforters..teachers..equals..etc

we will be known..
as the people..of the loving
living good/god..and known..by our service..to other

how about it brother?
brothers?..

anyone want to help..join..the dots?
before johan forgets..or fore-got

for god?
for peace?

i dont..blame you..negativity abounds..
its not you..its me..i must try..or die trying

yes simplicity..lol
ok..the guy..is nuts

anyhow..crazy man..back/again

just..to finish..off
that begun..here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

LETTER
FROM..“THE_OFFICER“

March..28th,..1913,..9:30.pm

The_Officer.

“When..I left off..last time,
I had..told you..that I..at length..sunk into..Hell itself.

This..was different/in many ways
from the earth/astral-plane.

I seemed..to be falling
through space.. black,dark,..and horrible.

At length..I reached..what appeared to be..firm
ground,..for I discovered..a kind of path,..and..scrambling on-to this..made my way along it
as best I could.

Every now..and then..I slipped off
into..the horrible filth.>>..

of spent/passions
absolution..as resolved..
the sin/form's..phantasms..that haunt/the guilty..dissolved into muck

<<..All..was utter darkness,..and
the marvel was..that..I got along..at all.

I felt drawn..in..a certain/direction..by
some strange..attraction,..>>

call it..like magnetic/attraction..that
like..clumps together with like..same/same

<<..and ultimately..i..found myself
on..a desolate,..stony/plane which..appeared..to be..covered with ashes.>>

spent figments/passions

<<..Still..drawn on..through the/darkness,
I stumbled..and struggled on,..*longing for..some human/society,>>

his yearning..will/power
was..the power..drawing..him..on..to like/minds

longing..for other*..peers/sociaty..

..<<..be it never..so degraded...
Then gradually..I began to get..a sort of half/sight,
and by..means of it..was able dimly..to perceive..that I was
drawing..near to some..huge/mass,..which in time...grew into the walls..and battlements..of a..great city.

Soon..I stood before it..and saw
that..it stretched right away..as far as..I could..*perceive,..though this..was not far.

There was..a gateway,..and
towards it..I turned..my steps.

No sooner..had I come..in front of it..and noticed
that it/was built..in the manner of..a great..Roman gateway
then..what..seemed to be..doors..opened and..I passed in:

I had hardly done
so,..when a fiendish..yell..rang out,
and two hideous beings,..who apparently acted the part
of wardens..of the gate,..sprang at me.

“Then I knew..that all spirits
I should meet here..would be enemies,..and I turned
savagely..upon them —prepared to battle..for life,..I was almost going to say.. but of course
that sounds absurd.

Fight,..however,..I would,
and ..even as I made up my will..*to do it,
the wretched creatures..turned and fled.

Thus I learnt..my first lesson ..about Hell.

There is no
law here.

The strongest..oppresses the weakest,
and strength lies..in the will..and in the
intellect.>>

as all can see..our intentions

<<..“I pursued my way..unmolested..for a time,
and found..that I could now distinguish...>>

ok fun is fun
so much left..undone

http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Life_in_the_World_Unseen.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Wanderer_a4.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF