pure ohh

to explain..perhaps
davids words
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

david quote..<<..Not only are good and evil entwined,
but one can do evil..with good motives or vice versa.>>

how i look at it..chris pushed me
then..ben..pushed me

and i for one
am pleased with..the fruit

i have learned..so much from..chris george ben you..david..grayham/belly..lexi..otb..so much..and it just gets better

My apologies to Chrisgaff for wandering off topic; for the sake of relevance let me vote “no”. As I have said many times, the great advantage of Freedom of Speech is that it makes it so much easier to identify the assholes (self not included, of course).
I fully agree with the sentiments of Josephus, Poirot et al. (except for the trolling bit).
Having got that out of the way, can I play silly-buggers on your thread now, huh, can I, can I?
JayB, no I say. We must never run, but stand shoulder to shoulder against tyranny and the individual's right to spel badly... If outnumbered, one must only walk away as quickly as dignity allows.
Ben DR, I am appalled. Jewish grandmothers have as much right to eat satanic dishes as any other grandmothers, even Matzuh balls.
(I had to Google that one. I did appreciate Wikipedia's advice: “always wet the hands to handle the sticky balls).
I think there's something in that for all of us.

might..is rite*
[ritual...greed/creed/cred]

extract/from
http://www.versebyverse.org/doctrine/angel_con.html

# Man's creation..was to resolve..the Angelic Conflict..and answer the appeal..of Satan...Angels lived in the second heaven..with access to the third..for convocations, Job.1.

After..the revolt of Isa.14:12-14,..Satan set up his headquarters on the earth..and made a garbage dump out of it. It ended up being covered with ice and darkness.

In six days,..God (Holy Spirit) restored the earth..to perfect environment.and set up..*the volition test(Ps.8:35; Heb.2:7).

# Human..volition..was tested,
as was..angelic volition.

1.Angels began perfect..(innocent)..with free will.
Mankind also..began perfect..with free will.

2.Some went negative,..creating two categories.
[God..does not coerce/judge/condemnor censure..at any time...We are not/slave/robots.

#The..two tests..of man's volition.

1.Under..perfect/environment,
only one act..was forbidden..to Adam(Gen.2:17).[not eve]

2.The second..is..the need toscape-goat/blame other(Gen.3:15; Rom.5:12; 6:23).

# Man's..positive volition..in God's plan..
to have mankind..judge Satan's appeal..[as peers](Heb.1:4-14; cp. Lk.15:710).

gods..Angels cheer..when..an unbeliever..accepts Christ/grace/mercies...dittosatansd angels cheer..when we [like them]..'fall'

1...Angels observed..the incarnation..of Christ/love(Mt.4:11; 28:2; Lk.2:13;..Act.1:10;..1Tim.3:16).
2...Angels/ob-serve..believers..(1Cor.4:9; 6:3; 11:10; Eph.3:10; 1Tim.5:21; 1Pet.1:12).
3...Fallen angels..de-serve/..non-believers(Job.1:6; 2:13; Eph.6:12).

#..Results..of..the Angelic/Conflict for..dispensation.

1.Phase one,..salvation...
via atonement[at-one-meant]

We are..NOT*..higher..than angels/positionally
[one can ONLY..be judged..by a jury..of peers](Heb.2:7).

2..Phase two,..spiritual maturity.
We..can have..a tactical/victory..in the Angelic/Conflict.[but thus loose right..to judge]..

Any blessing..we..GIVE UNTO other,..in/the*..devil's-world
is..a tactical/victory...thatvoids..our duty..to bjudge

We..cannot receive*..blessing/without..1st/person-capacity..[standing](1Pet.1:7,8).
3...Phase three,eternity.[our gifted..life*..is eternal
that we stay/equal/peer[by the same measure]..We will/NOT..be/higher than..angels(Phil.3:21).

#..adam's initial/fall..gave the/rulership..of this/world..to Satan..(Gen.3;..Jn.12:31;..14:30;..16:11;..2Cor.4:4;..Eph.2:2)..but man's positive volition..can free him..from Satan's/dominion..while living in..Satan's kingdom(Gal.5:1).

# Questions..2b..answered..by the Angelic/Conflict.

1.Why..was man..created equally..in..his/image?
To resolve/the Angelic Conflict...via peers/equals

2.What is history.. An extension of,
and..*conclusion to,..the Angelic/Conflict.

3.Why sin?
Because angels..and man/have..volition.
God..is not/the..author of sin,..freewill..is,..Jam.1:13.

4...Why suffering?
God..is going to..remove this,[without.loosing..its teavhing..].but right/now..this is Satan's kingdom/school..and Satan..cannot handle his/own kingdom.*

The result..is EXTREEM..poverty/untold wealth,
deliberated intended poisoning/disease,..war, death,etc.
God's plan//[at-one-ment]..turns past/suffering..into ETERNAL/blessing.

edited
#God's provision..for us
for..the Angelic Conflict..is spelled out/in Eph.6:11-17.

examined..here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

expanded surmised..here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5995&page=0

bbegun..on the topic
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

The Quran/says:
"We..have issued..two seas..[see/sea/see?]
that never mingle..with one..an other >>

ie good/vile...direct oppisites

but..back to..the last/link..
line 9

Satan is..*unable to touch any..but his own
..but*..he may tempt..a weak heart..weak will
ie when..one is ONLY..making half heart-ed attempt..[to do good]

<<..9 The devil/said to Allah:

<<..I shall certainly come upon them..from before them
and from behind them;..and from their right..and from their left;
and Thou wilt not find..*most of them*..thankful ..(Holy Qur-an 7:17)...?

them=good's servants

next..from same link
http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk55.htm

<<..46..My people..*must know the truth,>>
[good=god..not good =not of god]

<<the Gods truth --.the time>>
of common goodlyness..<<.is at hand!>

They are reared..and taught
by..devils and they know it not;

and being ignorant of the truth,..
They offer opposition..to the God..even of their salvation,

[god]..Who is the very author of..ALL* Truth.>>

ie ONLY truth..*

[good/truth]..[godly truth]
not the vile..pretensions/feigning..to be the *only true

BOTH..quotes..from

http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk55.htm

regardless sura 55..is revealing
http://www.islamicity.com/quran/55.htm

anyhow back to..surah 7..

satans fall

he was..*SPECIFICALLY..talking..of gods servants[in this case]
[them!][as in..you will know them..by their works]

<<..[Satan]said, "Because You have put me in error,
I will surely sit*..in wait for them..[your servants]..on Your straight path.>>

<<..16. He said:.."Because thou hast.thrown me..
out of the way,..lo! I will lie*..in wait for them*,
[YOUR SERVANTS]..[ie good/servants]..on thy straight way:..>>

<<....7:16 He said: Now,..because Thou hast sent me astray,
verily I shall lurk*..in ambush for them* on Thy Right Path...>>

I CANT FIND
A CORRECT TRANSLATION
THAT Clearly reveals..who..*them..is
them/then..refers to the un-fallen angels..[in this case]

its a key/bit to leave out.
WHO..is them/where/when?...

http://www.soundvision.com/info/quran/english.asp
<<No doubt, the peculiar..circumstances of history
which brought..the Qur'an..into contact..with the English language
have left their imprint..on the non-Muslim..as well as..the Muslim bid to translate it.

The results..and achievements..
of their efforts..leave a lot to be desired>>

anyhow them=gods messengers..WHO..know their masters/voice..
if its not good,..its not of god

read surah 7..
re satans fall..[thus too..our own]
http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/noframes/ch7.html

.

ps i know the/bible?..has some extra/writers..
not included..in other sects/creeds/translations

if i had menory..in mind..i would will to find..them..
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=missing+bible+text
http://archive.org/stream/LostBooksOfTheBible/LostBooksOfTheBible_djvu.txt

but the flesh..needs a tweak....

well..that was informative
but a dead/end*

but..found better
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/index.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/

ok..im going in
after..two/..disappointing links

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/lbob17.htm

<<.. I am full of joy,..hoping the..rather to he saved;
inasmuch as I truly see a spirit infused..*into you*.. from the pure fountain..of God:

4.Having this persuasion,..and..by being fully convinced..thereof,
because..that since I have begun to speak..unto you,..I have had a more than ordinary..good success..
..*in the way of..the law..of the/Lord which is..*in Christ.

5..For which cause/brethren,
I also think verily..that I love you..above my own soul:
.because..&that there-in*..dwelleth*...the greatness of faith and charity,..as also the hope..of that life which is to come.

6...Wherefore considering this,
that if I shall take care..to communicate to you
a part..of what I have received,..it shall turn to my reward,
that I have served..such good souls;..I gave diligence to write..in a few words unto you;..*that together*..with your faith/knowledge..also that we may be perfect...TOGETHER*

7..There are therefore..three..[11]..things
ordained..by the Lord;..the hope of life;..the beginning..and the completion of it.

8..For the Lord..hath both declared unto us,
by the prophets..those things that..are past;
and opened to us..*the beginnings of those..that are to come.

9..Wherefore, it will behoove us, 1 as he has spoken, to come 2 more holily, and nearer to his altar.

10..I therefore, not as a teacher, but as one 3 of you, will endeavour to lay before you a few things by which you may, on 4 many accounts, become the more joyful.

That God has abolished the legal sacrifices
to introduce the spiritual righteousness of the Gospel.

SEEING then the days are exceeding evil,
and the adversary has got the power of this present..world we ought to give the more diligence..to inquire into the righteous judgments of the Lord.

2..Now the assistants of our faith..are fear and patience;
our fellow-combatants,..long-suffering and continence.

3..Whilst these remain pure..in what relates unto the Lord*,
wisdom,..and understanding,..and science,.and knowledge,

*..rejoice together/with them.

4..For God has manifested..to us
*..by all the prophets,..that he has no occasion for our sacrifices, or burnt-offerings, or oblations:

saying thus;
To what purpose is the multitude..of your sacrifices unto me,..saith the Lord.>>

ahhh men ..eh..barbberous

ps..i loved..grims post..

that/reminds us..
that this..*is chris/topic
thankfully..he is/still..posting..so hasnt left..

but..i wish..he could know
the results..of..his impulse..was pre-ordained

we each*..have our parts..to play

we cant*..stuff anything up..unless we harden our hearts..
ie..[let life..breaks us]..

[or worse..
silence our ability..of mind
consciousness*..to act/react..as our expressions of ego..to enact re-act...spirit deserves]

anyhow
from..previous/link

<<..WHEREFORE..it is necessary..
that searching diligently..into those things..
which are near..to come to pass,..we should write to you..what may serve..to keep you whole.

2..To which end
let us flee.;.from every evil/work..and hate..[DE-bait]..the errors of..the present time,>>

hating..the error
NOT THE MAN*

<<that we may be happy..in that..which is to come:

3..Let us not give ourselves
the liberty of disputing with the wicked and sinners;
lest we should chance..in time to become like unto them.>>

those willing to fight/argue/hate/despise..or kill
love killing....dont fall..into the trap-rap..more [of the same]..will be given!

4..For the consummation>>..[appeal/trial/judgment/satan..etc]..
<<of sin..is come,..for..as it is fore-written,..as the prophet Daniel says.

And for this end..the Lord hath shortened..the times and the days, that his beloved*..[ie everyone]..might hasten his OWN..coming to his good true inheritance.

5..For so the prophet speaks;
There shall ten kings reign..*in the heart>>

,[loving things kings love]

<<and there shall rise..last of all
another little one,..and he shall humble three EARTHLY kings.>>

issiah=horn?..[of plenty]..my name
includes two horns?

6..And again..Daniel speaks..in like manner
concerning the kingdoms;..and I saw the fourth beast..dreadful and terrible,..and strong exceedingly;..and it had ten horns.

I considered the horns,..and behold t
here came up among them..another little horn,
before which..were three of the first horns..plucked up by the roots.

7 We ought therefore..to understand this also:
And I beseech you..as one of your own brethren,..loving you all beyond my own life,..that you look well to yourselves,..and be not like to those who add sin to sin,

and say:..That their*covenant..is ours also.
Nay,..but it is ours only:>>

for are we all..not created of his love..*equally
enjoined mortal/living heirs..of the immortal eternalgood

[the only true good/god]

<<..for they have for ever lost..that which Moses received>>

perverted..even the law..re adulterating
what god..told to mosus..

well we are all..adults..now

*no more adultery