Apology accepted Sonofgloin.
I can't stand either Rudd or Abbott, but due to their current policies on the table, I am actually considering Liberals at this time... :(

Suseonline, I'm a bit surprised by that.

I'm cynical enough not to take announced policies or costings real seriously, both sides seem to generally find reasons to disconnect from policy which don't suit them post election so I tend to vote based on my perceptions of tack record. At the same time I those perceptions are pretty entrenched. At this point I'm struggling with the idea of actually voting for the local Liberal member after some dealings with him. Nice enough fellow and good at turning up to local events but very different views to me on the role of a local member in representing residents of a electorate.

Would you mind at some point covering what you think the relevant diffs in policy are? Genuine question just in case thats in doubt.

R0bert

the reality is that most voters appear to be looking at track record rather than policies. Labour has failed miserably. Abbott could say anything because Labour's word on illegal immigrants, carbon tax, wastage and surplus'have proven to be total lies. Labour are great at promises and useless at delivering. Policies are just that unless you are competent to implement them. That is why Labour always has a 10 year vision so they can never be held accountable. The public have woken up.

I want to make it clear my absence from these pages is not due to Labors impending defeat.
Too that I will be here on the night to cop my dues after that event.
But I need to add to my post regarding Labors decent.
Believe me it is 1972 to 1975 all over again, and magnified.
Labor in those years had some true idiots in its ranks contributing to the 1975 result.
It too confronted a press intent on its defeat, at any cost.
I have measured this team, and the press against those days.
While playing a minor role in two electorates, both to be won by the Nationals, one by a landslide the other by ten percent , I will vote Labor.
And ensure no minor party gains from my vote in both houses.
But my dreams of a Rudd revival, while proud of the bloke, and thinking he was and is our only option, just a dream.
Honesty will out we defeated our selves yes a *dirty press* helped but in the end we made the biggest contributio9n.
HSU should have as its members wished been pulled apart never to blacken its poor members again.
NSW Filth ? prison for about eight of the true scum.
And who will lead us post defeat?
Dare we go in to opposition content that Abbott will see us returned?
I hope not and with all my heart hope Bill Shorten never gets the job.
continued.

It is my honest view Labor lost this election, Abbott did not win it.
We who understand politics should never over estimate the understanding of the average voter.
We are about to continue the link to 1975, like Frazer Abbott is not going to do a great deal, in fact he has in my view more no core promises than all past PM s put together.
And we the average voters do not understand what his policy,s are.
Watch, post election thousands will wounder why the school kids bonus has not arrived.
Yes sad for the ALP and heart breaking for me but if nothing else we must reform and never ever say one thing and do another on winning.
I heard this morning a broadcaster reading an e mail.
It was from a small party supporter.
And said majors being forced to do deals with small party,s just to govern was proof democracy works!
Consider your votes Abbott could get a ten to twenty seat margin but not be able to get bills past greens Labor and several mad hatters party,s!
Is that democracy?
Soldier on ALP voters and know 12 months from now we will be able to say do not blame us.
Let us hope we are never again , including in the next Parliament, are controlled and used by the greens, last is the place they go on my vote yes no matter the out come they insult democracy.

good to hear your still fighting

but belly

..think..you said,,<<..Let us hope
we are never again are controlled..and used by the greens,

last is the place..they go on my vote ..>>

but this means
your voting for tony!
[2de last]

[thats what i hate about preferences..
you gotta put at least one devil last]..and i presumed..tony..to rate that..[in your eyes]

personally..i think..the greens are whipped

especially..if tony AND kevin..put them last..
[i guess it depends on who needs that extra %..green vote..to get in more..

and thats why things wont get too bad
in the end..who do we hate most..[when we distrust both]

but anything can happen..in two weeks..[and im expecting a big black flag event next friday..maybe earlier..that tests them both out

note how tony did a rudd
ie agree to the issues..he couldn't fight..so as to not alienate..

his mind changes...on those things..isnt genuine..but thus neatly..*not election issues..[just like did rudd did with howard]

noting the most recent change
to boats..as a weakness that was instantly shored up

you have to agree..tony kept the scam going convincingly.. [with juliars help..and here never/ever green's tax sceme..selling out *to the miners etc..THEN TO ATTACK THE SMOKERS LOL

[tony again agreed..yet gave an..*impression..
he would repeal the tax..then..was fully in favor
once it was found by..fo-cuss groups to not affect his vote..that much..

[as long as we held onto..his two faced..
[both sides of the barbwire fence]..small target..approach

its like a classic greek tragedy.
but fence sitters..often fall to one side or the other

the funny thing is..they all work..for the same master
[regardless..of who actually wins]