platypus,

"when a life is taken in cold murder, the murderer deserves to die
isnt that simple?"

So - your conviction of "the sanctity of life" is not absolute - nor applied universally.

Okay....

platypus,

"you fought tooth and nail for the preservation of the life of a convicted murderer but will not stand up for the innocent life of an unborn"

Where did I fight "tooth and nail"?

I'm more interested in your "relative" convictions.

Is the "sanctity of life" a God-given absolute?

If it is, you appear to be ignoring it when it suits your argument.

Dear platypus1900,

You wrote: “ignorant and stupid?
that is your view of believers in God
how sad
i assure you Christians take their faith seriously
they do study the Word themselves and do not swallow everything the pastor teaches
they are good Bereans”

That is not my view of believers in God. I have read the works of some believers such as Saint Augustine’s ‘Confessions’ and found his reflections on time and space sublime and thought provoking.

I was referring to the pastor’s attitude. He had sophisticated discussions at his theological seminary yet he would not bring these discussions to his congregation. He was the one who thought they were too stupid to discuss these matters not I. He was the one who said he would not want to disturb ‘their simple faith.’ He was the one who would keep them ignorant and stupid by wrapping them in cotton wool and keeping questions away from them..

Apparently he was struggling with his own faith since he later gave up the religion. He now heads a non-religious humanitarian organisation.

I don’t think it is a good generalisation to say Christians take their faith seriously. I am sure some do. I am also sure some merely go through the motions, and others take the faith for social reasons. I knew a woman who joined a church because the minister was the best-looking man in town.

I ask you again: Can you cite any verifiable evidence of God holding anybody accountable for anything?

@david
you must know when i said christians being serious, i meant it as a general statement
it takes one bad apple to demolish my position isnt it?

let us not look at the world
start with you
God holds you accountable for your sins.
Of course if you do not believe in God, then discussion ends.
But from God's point of view, you are still accountable.
You can read Romans 1.

blessings

Dear platypus1900'

I see no need to believe in anything. If there is evidence for the existence of an entity I will accept that it exists. I gave up the idea of God when I found no evidence to substantiate the existence of such an entity. One of the problems with religious or other belief is that it doesn't depend on evidence. Faith is regarded as a virtue in the Bible. I think doubt is a much more worthy attitude.

That is why I question your statement: i believe God will hold us all accountable as a country on the way we kill our unborn,

Can you cite any verifiable evidence of God holding anybody accountable for anything? If not I see no reason to accept your statement.

@david

your parents gave you the best name ever
david is the 'man after God's heart"
he is the apple of God's heart

wow

listen to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZoRfhyW-vk

may you live up to your name

shalom