You know what guys?

The fright and hatred that positively drips from the posts of anti-Muslim bigots is very unattractive.

In fact, it reminds me of some of the very people you rant and rave about...the fundamentalist terrorist Muslims or their Imams, or the mad fundamentalist Christians as well.

Lexi and poirot, I admire your considerable restraint amongst this sea of angst!

Suseonline defaults to the arrogant, patronising manner of the elite [by their own standards].

Considerable evidence has been provided to support the true nature of Islam and the myth of moderation in Islam. All of this is ignored by the likes of suse.

The motivation of and from within Islam is relatively transparent, although the ontology of the religious impulse and its part of the psychology of humans has not been discussed.

What is interesting and unresolved is the psychology of people like suse; presumably a female, a progressive female concerned with her rights and advocating vague, inchoate communal rights while at the same time being unable or unwilling to accept the inherent oppressiveness of Islam, especially towards women.

The psychological contradiction, even cognitive dissonance, of members of an oppressed group being at the lead of that oppression is well documented. Summer's treatise, "God's Police and Damned Whores" is a case in point where Summers describes how women are divided up into the promoters of oppressive religious based ideology and those moral deviants who are the target of the God's police of that ideology.

Summers directed her ire towards conservatism, especially Christian oppression of women.

There has been no equivalent treatise coming from the women's liberation movement towards Islam which offers a far more comprehensive and intense God's policing of women.

One reason I suspect for that, apart from the vanity of moral elites from the left in the West, is the cowardice of the left, particularly feminism. Islam bites back, beheads women, mutilates their genitals and does not brook any movement away from feminine subservience.

That observation is not a product of fear or paranoia but a reasonable, measured analysis of Islam and feminism and progressivism generally.

In that context suse's comment is specious and ironic.

Gawd, you're all so scared of your own shadows I wonder how you manage to get out of bed in the morning!

Chicken Little had nothing on you lot.

"W Trevor says that the fact that 3 Islamic countries do not support specific and particular harsh aspects of sharia means those nations do not support sharia."

Since I only wrote six words, "Yours, I would have thought, cohenite..." it must have been you saying it.

Why am I being verballed when you claimed "all muslims from all countries" despite having presented evidence to the contrary?

It's not like I accused you of contradicting yourself, hyperbole or lying.

W Trevor. I can only repeat; the surveys show almost universal support within Islam for sharia; there are significant regional differences about whether particularly severe aspects of sharia should be followed.

The point I would make is if you have sharia the harsh laws are on the books and in place and can be invoked.

Within Islam because the peaceful mass share the same goal of sharia as the violent Muslims invariably 2 things happen.

Firstly there is no effective opposition from the peaceful majority to violence as I explained above.

Secondly when sharia does come in it is controlled by the violent majority.

At the end of the day Islam has the runs on the board. Where-ever it takes over there is oppression, violence and Western secular democracy is out the window.

The defenders of Islam seem to be wishful in their thinking and ignoring the evidence and immediate history of Islam in Western society.

Antiseptic goes further down the nuisance path and compares those who are sceptical of Islam with "chicken-little". The sceptics of Islam aren't "chicken-littles"; the modern "chicken-littles" are the AGW alarmists; they're the ones who think the sky is going to fall. How ironic!

cohenite,

Strange how the guy who's running up and down threads warning us a about Muslims and the danger to our Enlightenment thinking is the same person who rejects scientific consensus on global warming.

Laugh a minute around here : )