Hi Platypus; I'm not a fan of Japanese culture and its monolithic nature, but in the case of Islam they have got it right.

I am sick to death of the luvvies, chatterers and egotistical fools who take the high moral road to stupidity by supporting Islam.

I am for a large Australian population and support immigration of people of any type, shape, colour, culture etc; with ONE condition.

That condition is they honour and preference the secular, democratic, individual rights based Western social and political and legal structure.

Muslims do not do this. How plainer can it be. Muslim immigrants are not the same as previous waves and generations of immigrants. They are different because they want to introduce sharia and change the secular basis of our society. The evidence for this both within and outside Australia is overwhelming yet we still get these fools defending Islamic rights to have their sharia laws respected and permitted.

@cohenite

i agree with your views but perhaps dont call them names?
i know they call you names but as my late mum always say, you wrestle with pigs, you end up muddy..hh

there are certain jap national traits which i admire
see how polite and orderly they were during the earthquake and tsunami
compare them with the americans...looting and plundering
shameless americans

some i dont
like following the emperor blindly to war
and not acknowledging their war crimes

i agree with you whoever choose to make this beautiful country their home, should embrace our govt and legal structure here

but i would also like to add that many of our australian values need plenty of re-thinking

we have the following tendencies

1. ape the west and the americans
2. have an underdog mentality (links to our criminal past?)... we end up sympathising with gays...greens...poor helpless migrants from ME
3. tall poppy loppers - can we learn to celebrate success?
4. be lean "left"... i learnt this in the other thread... we need to have sensible Greens and not blind Greens... we need to have more discipline in bringing up our children...not ape the Dr Spocks
5. worry too much what the world thinks of us, esp our policy on the boat people...we cannot let people smugglers dictate our national policies. Only traitors like KRudd will use foreign politicians to arm wrestle his fellow country politicians.

cheers

Platy: but i would also like to add that many of our australian values need plenty of re-thinking. we have the following tendencies

1. ape the west and the americans.

Well we are essentially Western, but you are right about some of the younger people apeing Americans. (Can we say Ape now.)

2. have an underdog mentality (links to our criminal past?)... we end up sympathising with gays...greens...poor helpless migrants from ME.

Do we have an underdog mentality. Some might but I don't think most people have.
3. tall poppy loppers - can we learn to celebrate success?

Well I do agree with you here but some Tall Poppies need to be cut down. I especially have an affinity for the ones that think their $#!T doesn't stink.

4. be lean "left"... i learnt this in the other thread... we need to have sensible Greens and not blind Greens... we need to have more discipline in bringing up our children...not ape the Dr Spocks.

Sensible Green? Where are you going to find one of those. OK, yes I have met some. They get just as annoyed with the Loonies as the rest of us.
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5. worry too much what the world thinks of us, esp our policy on the boat people...we cannot let people smugglers dictate our national policies.

The world really doesn't think, or know much about us or our policies at all. When One Nation was at it's peak I travelled back to Singapore, Malaysia, France & the UK. Everywhere I went I asked them what they knew about Pauline Hanson. Only one cab driver in Singapore had any Idea & he agreed with her & one guy in Dublin had an idea that she was some sort of politician, but he didn't know what she stood for or anything about her. So much for her ruining Australia's reputation in the World. Yanks can't even find us on a map (see utube for the videos.) The Europeans think we are great & a long way away but that's about it. Oh Kangaroos & Koalas.

I think the World doesn't give a stuff about what we do with the Refugees. It's only the Loony tunes that are making the noise here. I really don't know why we even give a dam about what they say. It's better just to ignore them. The Media sells papers out of them & the Law profession makes money out of the controversy the Greenies create.

I see one of Australia's moderate Muslims, Waleed Aly, is siding with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt; the hypocrisy and irony of this along with the vacuous support Aly gets from the rest of the Channel 10 The Project is well described by Bolt who I suspect is coming around to support the myth of the Moderate Muslim:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/behind_egypts_bloodshed_an_election_does_not_make_extremists_safer/

I well remember the vile comments Aly made about Ayaan Hirsi Ali who remains under threat of death by Aly's fellow Muslims; underneath the fashionable stubble and measured tones Aly is the personification of why Islam is never moderate.

cohenite,

While I'm not enamoured of fundamentalist anything, can you enlighten me as to who has carried out the recent slaughter on Egypt's streets.

(I'm supposing it's not the Muslim Brotherhood)

You mean others act like bloodthirsty barbarians, not just Islamists?