Reading through the posts here, I suspect you need to communicate better PALEIF. As far as I can tell, these are the key points - if I'm wrong, please clarify.

You're saying: "Theres no reason Australia can not be the front of a billion dollar Halal Meat and vegetable Industry and the farmers would be the winners. The Sheep Council of Australia have agreed to meet with us. Whats wrong with the rest of you?"

The answer I believe, is that there is nothing wrong. If there is an untapped market and superior profits to be had from an alternative to live exports, the farmers will be happy to adopt other exports instead.

You seem to be indicating that there is a conspiracy to continue the live export trade which is why your views aren't being heard.

This is an argument I tend to have a problem with. I would need a strong motive... as it stands, you are complaining that the farmers federation are supporting a producer in order to continue the practice of live exports... the thing is, the only reason I can see for them doing this, is if live exports are profitable.

You need to give me a convincing reason as to why the farmers groups are supportive of live exports and are doing their utmost to continue the trade, if in fact, it isn't profitable.

Yabbys posts explain the situation without this gaping hole - yours don't. It may simply be that in your zeal for this particular cause, your threads don't sound objective and your message is valid but clouded. In any case, I would need better explanations for why farmers groups aren't embracing new markets, when conventional wisdom suggests they would.

Wendy, just to clarify, I too remember that post some time ago. You did post your phone number (as you do regularly) and ask yabby to phone you. If is was not a convenient time you should have made the offer.

Also, the actual death in the family you mentioned, that was actually quite some time before that phone call wasnt it? Be fair now, you are making dear old yabby sound like a right heartless bastard :)

No Yabby

I am not confused. Over OLO

Ok Yabby lets do it this way. Whats the next thing that is happening in the trade?
Its common knowledge.
I will give you a break. You wont find it on the net.
We have even placed bets on which web site info you would race to to reply a post on.

Now to answer your questions.
Yes Australia can be the hub of Halal chillied meat suppply to ME Yes the sheep council are happy to meet with us.
Yes the trade deals have driven live exports at a high level.
Yes I did ask you if you knew farmers to call me.
Yes you did call.
No you did not mention farmers despite the fact I asked you.
If you have farmers I see no reason why you should not be paid as an agent so get them to make contact through web page. I am afraid I do not beleive you anymore because thats what you said last time which why I supplied you my phone number. I am sure they are farmers, but dont think you have much contact with them.
Your So predictable Yabby but if it makes you happy I will address this to turnrightleft post as well.
We dont mind a fair challange. One answer is- Why is it Abattpoirs are the ONLY industry In Australia blocked from obtaining staff through the skilled workers programe. Every other Industry is Ok?
What would you call that?
Playing it Fair? I think its clear.
Yes I do have evidence of unfair play and advantages to some but not others.
This is subject to a legal action we are considering so 'no' I am not posting it.

I refer you to lerks and perks through trade deals ie The Ausie bloke who asked for a 5g grant to buy a plant that was told no money despite the fact he had vput most of his cash into it.
3 weeks later 40 million to a off shore company for the SAME plant.
Hows That! for starters??

PF
If you recall that and you have been following the post as I know you have cast your mind back please to the exchanged posts on JAKIM.
Did yabby or did he not reply to me saying. Wendy Again it seems you are rather confused- It is not Malaysia that takes much of the Halal Meats but ME. Then he posted the figures that I asume came off the Government satistics that any never correct anyway. Did I not reply _ Yes Yabby but thats about to change as Malyasia see themselves as the hub of Halal Exporting back on through JAKIM to ME and elsewhere throughout the world.

As for the call PF we have had three deaths which I am not going imto. I remember well when Yabby called. What he said and how he laughed when I mentioned my fathers death.
He then said Quote.
Oh yeh Thats right I forgot your the over emoshional type arn`t you.
I had actually only just recieved the report back regarding his death which I told Yabby.
I will NOT talk about deaths in my family over the net.
I reponded to Yabbys comments about calling me.
Thats was all.
Also PF Steve in NSW seems a really good ali for you. He is interested to do something to promote free range.
I think together you would do really well. His wife is licenced for teaching.
Is there any interest from yourself at all? I dont think they could do it totally alone. Everybody needs somebody onside to work with. Hes also considerate of APL I am sure you understand.
He said they helped him set up his free range which is certainly very refreshing to hear.

This sort of sounds like some cryptic horoscope... steve in nsw ??
Teachers ??

I am a little lost pale.

Wendy, given your claim to posts I made, show me where I made
those posts. Please don't put words into my mouth.

You asked me to ring you, to give you advice about the WA
meat industry, which I did. Nope, I would not give you
my farmer friends numbers, for that would imply that I think
you are credible. I certainly explained the labour shortage
in WA to you, which you were not aware of at the time.

There are good reasons why the meat industry missed out
on 457 workers, although I gather thats about to change.
Firstly they were never very good lobbyists it seems.
The bloke who made the decisions was one of Burkey's
blokes, so they clearly hired the wrong lobbyists!

Next, the AMIEU were the union who made the most noise
about 457 workers.
As per normal, the squeeky wheel gets the oil.

Next, some meatworks did in fact do the wrong thing
by some 457 workers, so that had to be sorted out.

Lastly, just to set the record straight. No deaths in
your family when I rang you. You had been to court about
the tenants in your father's house. You certainly did not
ask me to ring at another time, you have even stated on
OLO that I should ring you. Given your memory, clearly
the only way to deal with you, is through public records,
such as OLO. Then we can refer back to who said what,
which does not apply to phone calls to people with it seems,
faulty memories.