Wendy, I don't blame FF of PGA for not putting your info on their
website, as that would imply some kind of endorsement. I doubt if
many farmers read their websites anyhow. I've never even checked
them out, as anything useful appears in the farming press.

I didn't tell you to ring anyone in particular, simply pointed out
that the FF and PGA represent farmers in WA. However if they don't
think that you or your ideas are credible, then thats their decision.

I certainly don't think that your ideas are credible or that in
the short term there are alternatives to live exports. The meatworks
of today, can't even cope with the 4 million sheep that they
are trying to process now. Forget the 3 million live exports.
Then we have the issue of price of course.

Fact is, with the high costs we have here it often costs more
to send an animal down a meat chain, then what that animal is
worth to the farmer. Companies then outbid each other to send
that meat to the third world, ever cheaper. Farmers are the
ultimate losers.

Technology and volumes can solve some of the high costs. Thats
why I have always pushed for more high tech, low labour plants
to be built in WA. Saudis, Malaysians, anyone is free to build
them. But given that WA is booming in resources and that there
are is no spare labour around, even staff to build a plant would
be difficult to find right now. Let alone staff to work in
a plant

Rojo hello-
You said
I wasn't aware of special halal vegetable requirements. I'd be interested to know more.
Reply- there you go Rojo they even have Halal Anzac Biscuits[ funny as].
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/compose-message-general.asp?discussion=596
You can contact here Re halal Vegetable Farms

info@halakindmeats.com
Office: (07) 5539 2369

I am glad you find it so entertaining. Happy to talk about Halal vegetables farms as with all farmers.
Might even be able to solve a few water problem together. Just give me "Farmers" and people who have been tapping into water resources for a few thousand years and leave out the so called Farmers Represenatives, Middle men and Government fools and I will be happy.
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Rojo Said
"Farmers are capable of running their own farms if some people would stop giving them NO other Option BUT LIVE EXPORTS".
Pale Replies.
Thats 100% Correct Rojo.
I need the Farmers Federation and others to at least allow us to inform the farmers of offers to speak with people direct! People who wish to source Halal Vegetables and Meats. BUT Instead of Farmers Federation `gratefully` excepting this they refuse to put up a simply message to farmers.
INSTEAD they fill farmers heads with scae tactics that Live exports are the only answer.
WEll we have a few ME people that wish to tell the Ausie Farmers thats not the case.
The Muslim people are complaing about the `same thing` as us.

They `dont want` to Go through Others because they dont trust them. They want to speak to farmers direct. Bill D`Darcy is too busy running around collecting money off the farmers spreading scare tactics and telling the poor buggers they must pay for legal costs to fight Animals Australia in the WA courts.
Muslims ARE willing to slaughter and deal here.

Theres no reason Australia can not be the front of a billion dollar Halal Meat and vegetable Industry and the farmers would be the winners.
The Sheep Council of Australia have agreed to meet with us. Whats wrong with the rest of you.?

paleif,

"Farmers are capable of running their own farms if some people would stop giving them NO other Option BUT LIVE EXPORTS".

Of course you would agree, I was quoting you. Personally I wouldn't say such nonsense. My response was:

"By all means give them options. I won't stand in your way. I'm not sure why this would change their capability to run the farms."

Haven't we spoke about comprehension before? Please do not attribute your writings to me.

Few would question the merits of value adding in Australia, the capacity is just not available to do it all in the short term. Farmers have to protect their income source in the present whereas you are dealing in the future, which generally isn't so clear.

Ok, so why dont the muslims just go ahead and build abattiors? How does that line go 'if you build it they will come'

No one will listen to ifs, buts, when's and maybe's.

You see pale, farmers need to sell their product now. There is a relatively small window of opportunity to sell sheep as their value decreases with age and only costs the farmer to keep them.

It wouldnt matter if a consortium of movie stars were putting forward this proposal, until it actually happens and the farmers see some real commitment, no one will care.

PF
Because they need t do it with Aussie contacts to insure supply. Because if they did it the wrong way without those contacts the big boys will close ranks and they wont get supply.

plenty of people have poured funds into plants in the past and failed because they did not have the right contacts with farmers.
Because Lets Say it costs $230.00 to run a beast through a plant. The others have been known to drop their prices to below cost for up to 4 months just to knock the new plant out.

Rojo
As you say there should be no reason why the farmers reps would not be very happy to allow us the bring people to meet the farmers face to face.
We all agree that to refuse to allow us to market in this way - Is to take us out of the market.
Protect Live exports at ALL costs.
Too bad for the farmers.
Never mind we are getting there.
I find people who sit back and rubbish others for at least trying to improve conditions for farmers and animals a tad negative.

As I said to you earlier if you are interested in Halal vegetable Farms your more than welcome to contact us.
We dont charge for Services
Have a nice Day.

PF ok I understand farmers need to Sell there products 'now'.
So heres what I will do. I will without any costs to anybody- so some cant say we are advertsing a business - start a thead and put up some of the people that want to buy from the farmers "Now".

I will keep it as updated as time will permitt.

What you will find however is the farmers in many cases will be unable as a single farm to meet the demands. On monday for eg we met with a ME buyer.
He wants 200 hundred ton per month. Another wants 500 ton per month. These guys of course to sign a contract the other end. My advise was dont sign. Once you lose face because you cant supply its over. They then said- just like Rojo well lets build plants.
I told them I would advise against that. I explained others had tried to break into the meat industry by putting in a lot of money from other countries in the past.
Doesnt matter if you have the best plant in the world. Without the farmers to ensure supply your stuffed.
So I also look after the overseas investor as well. My biggest fear is one of them will just go ahead and build one anyway and be stuck for supply. I have seen this happen. Together working along side the Ausie Farmer they will do well.
So will the farmers.
We do it together or not at all.
As for the order I put him onto the CEO of AFIC to try to assist as a favour.
He probably will source it evenually through NZ. He is very interested to meet farmers. They should meet him and some of his friends.Nice bloke down to earth with a lot of respect for farmers.
He is only one. There are many more.
I will post a thread for farmers interested to sell their meat Now.
Just keep an eye out if you are a farmer or know somebody who is.