"I told them I would advise against that. I explained others had tried to break into the meat industry by putting in a lot of money from other countries in the past.

Frankly Wendy, I don't think you are handing out very good
advice lol. I remind you how well the Americans and Japanese
have done, by investing in the meat industry here. As to the
sheep industry in WA, its wide open for innovation and opportunity.

Farmers owe 44 billion$, so their loyalty is very much to their
bank managers. So they will sell to those who pay the highest
prices, its as simple as that. Now if you look at the market reports
and studies done, even by the WA Govt, WA has Australia's cheapest
sheep, even if we factor in live exports.

The reasons for all this are political and go back a number of
years, but thats a long story. The result was a huge underinvestment
in sheep processing in WA. There is really only one single modern
sheepmeat plant in WA and thats owned by Fletcher. The WA Govt
held his hand to get him going over here, now I would be amazed
if this isn't the place where he's making most of his money, because
of relatively cheap sheep.

The best any investor could do is go to NZ and purchase a state
of the art kill chain, which requires hardly any labour. Labour
is in the boning room. Put a million sheep a year down that chain,
with few employees, then straight into a chilled container in carcass
form, then send them to Malaysia, the ME or wherever, for further
processing.

Given your claims that your buyers could pay alot more then is
presently paid in WA, they would have a huge margin to guarantee
supply, so that would not be an issue. Many kill chains in WA are
tiny and out of date, their only way of survival is to pay very little
for the product, farmers being the losers. So we do what is far
more profitable, send them out live

paleif,
I have to agree with yabby re: your business advice. It could do with a little more thinking.

Without new or improved infrastructure it is obvious that the processing capacity could not handle the throughput of animals otherwise destined for live export. If efforts are not made on this side of the business then farmers could have no confidence in supply arrangements or contracts.

"Once you lose face because you cant supply its over" Is that as opposed to being over before you start. How much worse can it be than not trying. The only constraint is the meat plants ability to do the job and being willing to pay the appropriate price for the animals. Hardly rocket science.

Farmers have no choice but to try to protect the live export trade. They know there is no other short term answer. By your own admission you are turning away trade already. What sort of message does that send?
The easiest and proper way to gain farmer support is to pay equally well for their product. Loyalty will come by the truckload.

"I find people who sit back and rubbish others for at least trying to improve conditions for farmers and animals a tad negative."
When you actually do something for the farmers with regard to live exports I'll cheer. So far you are calling for the end of live exports, yet you know the capacity is not available to process those animals here. In fact you advise against the building of new plants.
I don't quite see the benefit to farmers of ending live exports until demand from other buyers ends it.

When you gave me a dud link for the halal anzac bikkies I decided not to persue the veges further with you.

Yabby and Yabbys little shadow ?

http://www.afic.com.au/

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/21/1090089216035.html?from=storylhs

The Afic Web page has been worked on since the election of the new President Ikabel Patel. If you have any problems with links you can leave Mohamed a message on Halal help or Uzma. I had no problem with the link. You will also see HKM up on there too as Mohamed gets a moment. Mind you if you really were in the first place interested in Halal veggies I would not go there bagging me either.

Yup The Japanese inspired me in the first place along with the live exports. I recall a guy who asked for a five hundred thousand dollar plant a few years back but he was told sorry no money available. Pity too because he had the bulk of it. Three weeks after he was told that the Japenese were granted 40 million for the `same plant`. Mind you if you know the meat trade you will know who his Aussie partner was. Personally I agree with James. At least gamblings more honest.

So I thought to myself Wendy you are going to have to learn to play by their rules. Must say its rather enjoyable. Yup we all know live exports is driven by USA- Shame
You have confirmed what I thought in the first place- that you do a lot of reading. Your so called advise yabby in fact is how I told you it would work ages ago. I clearly recall you saying why are you talking about maylasia all the time when most goes to ME. I then explained to you we have several delgates over from there and through JAKIM it would pass hrough to ME or elsewhere. I also informed you that the equipment would be purchased from NZ. I clearly recall you going on with some waffle at the time against my arguments. Also I do not make all the descions. We have only just had the new elections and I am delighted with the results.

Wendy I can only be amused by your comments as to who said what
in one phone call long ago and stick by what I learnt from that ie.
never to discuss anything by phone with you ever again. Once
was enough lol, never again!

Yabby
It is indeed unfortunate you raised this again. It took me a long time to forgive you.
However as you raised it I wont allow you to try to discredit myself and those who work with us.

You called me. I told you we had just had a death in the family. I said that it wasnt a good time.
Much to my utter amazement - you laughed.
I dont know if its a nervous thing with you or what but it upset me.

I quite literally threw up when you finally put down the phone.
You ignored me when I requested could we speak later. So you waffled on and on and on.
I got the feeling of utter disappointment after three minutes of listening to your ramblings as it became clear you knew little about the industry.
I tried to speak but you barked over the top of me. perhaps you had takena few wines, only you know.
So we "never had" a conversation by phone Yabby. Then as you came sweeping through the phone like a tornado you were gone. Just like that - poof!.
You are a funny little man with a unfortunate mouth and some sort of persecution problem.
Had I had known your exporting yabbies years ago was a matter of national security I would not have mentioned it. So for that as its upset you I apoligize `sincerely.`
I forgave you but I dont agree with you.

"Your so called advise yabby in fact is how I told you it would work ages ago. I clearly recall you saying why are you talking about maylasia all the time when most goes to ME. I then explained to you we have several delgates over from there and through JAKIM it would pass hrough to ME or elsewhere. I also informed you that the equipment would be purchased from NZ."

Oops Wendy, I think you have just shot yourself in the proverbial
foot:) Read your other post, where you said that we never had
a conversation... Now you claim to have told me all these things.

Wendy, either you have a shocking memory or you are confused!

If you remember, you asked me to ring you and gave me your number.
I finally decided to go along with it, as a phone call is cheap
and I don't really care where the money comes from to build new
plants in WA. Fact is we need them, or prices for WA to farmers
would not be so much lower then ES prices.

My personal views on all this are well documented in papers, emails,
submissions to Govt and other sources. They were formed a long time
before Wendy came along with her views. They are much the same
as they were years ago, which the documented evidence shows. The
WA processing industry don't like to hear them, for it means that
they have to pull their fingers out and show that they are as good
as ES meatworks. The WA meat industry has relied on WA el cheapo
sheep for far too long, so that management can receive their bonuses
etc, flash cars and other perks, at growers expense. So I am not
popular amongst processors lol, but I really don't give a rats arse.

There are plenty of growers out there, I talk to them every day.
They are my friends, neighbours, part of my community. I reflect
their opinions. These are salt of the earth people, working hard
for their livelyhoods.