A small wager SOG if Abbott wins you and others with in 12 months will talk of the abuse of power he uses to do Murdock,s bidding.
Too of his broken promises.
And his Socialism for middle class and cuts for the less well off.

Dear Belly,

When you lay into the Libs you are absolutely right. When others lay into Labor they are absolutely right. You are rusted on supporters of two bankrupt parties. There is little hope from either. Labor has a culture of corruption, and the Libs have a culture of following the likes of Rupert Murdoch and Gina Rinehart - two different ways of screwing most Australians.

China I don't know why you continually address me as an Abbott or Coalition acolyte because I want a thoroughly incompetent government gone. They supposedly work for me, and I want competence.

I will relentlessly bag Abbott and his team if the domestic economy does not revive in 12 months. If I don’t china I owe you a shandy. But it will….always has, probably always will.

Did you see the national retail figures released today….lowest since 1960 something….

Siller is right. Islam had an early period of fostering creativity in science, philosophy and mathematics. After that period it went into its own Dark Ages. However, Christianity never had a period where it fostered creativity and questioning. It was only the Enlightenment which led to the secular state that freed western civilisation from the grasp of Christianity. I don't maintain Islam is good. All I maintain is that it is not as bad as Christianity. Islam has been oppressive and stultifying but not as oppressive and stultifying as Christianity. It has had a period of several hundred years of fostering knowledge as against no similar period in Christianity. European civilisation dominates in the world today through timing. While Europe was leaving their Dark Ages Islam was entering theirs.

Unfortunately barbarians sometimes win. The Christian barbarians managed to beat off the Muslims at the battle of Tours or Poitiers in 732 CE. This preserved the European Dark Ages for several hundred years. The Christian barbarians later reconquered Spain ending a Golden Age.

All religions are delusional systems. I believe we would be better off if they all disappeared. They vary in virulence from time to time. However, they only vary in degree of virulence. They remain virulent.

I heard the religion report on ABC tonight at 5:30. The program mentioned the religiosity of Rudd and Abbott. Both are devoted to religion, and I fear for Australia.

Belly, I reckon that had Mark Latham survived as leader you would have had a Labor party with some human character and as much honesty as a politician is capable of....at least he wasn't a lawyer.

By the way David, what was all that about? Wrong thread sport?