Well have we, I have but thought it may just be me.
Had to for a time sign in every visite.
Found the old locked up pages needed me to back click then try again almost every day.
This morning my last post in FGM thread took many attempts to even review, got server error every time.
Did not give up but it was hard not to.
Things changed and after removing a few lines, and maybe the culprit? three question marks not meant to be there, in a row got it done.
Look no way around this.
Are we funding this site?
A time must come to do just that formaly.
GY is not asking yet but the time is on us, to think about it.
I would not like to see those who can not afford it not stay.
So while talking of any site difficulty can we toss around a funding thought for the site?
By the way my PC not the site may be in part my problem any other reports?
And? how many times have you not seen a second subject your thread covers rather than use a pin thought economics fitted best, or humor? gee what about health PC that is.

Belly, no point in being so paranoid because the world really is out to get you.

<Had any trouble posting?>>

Belly,

Did they not tell ye laddie?
That would be the NBN service kickin in
Kevy wanted it up and runin before Sept 7.

Has it been raining much around your way?

I can have all sorts of odd problems, often only on a few sites, when the pits fill with water. I have found OLO slow to come up, but no other problems.

Gentle men I thank you!
Not you hasbeen, but the two willing to revert to their school days to swipe at me.
We have a two part thread here is Menzies House in a position to help fund the site ?
Can we take time from the needless needling to consider the costs of the site?
Do we know an upgrade has been planned *when the funds arrive*
Yes Hasbeen slow, that after consideration is my basic point, the rest may be in my PC.

As you where gents, back to the get the grub he votes Labor! theme,last laugh and all that?

China, I had some issues on Friday with an erroe message coming up when I attempted to post, it was a problem that left me out for hours, but it came good.

Last weekend I was having problems. Graham told me it could be due to switching over to a new system. Since Sunday no problems.

Thanks for the feedback fellas,at least others shared my troubles.
Look not wanting to harp but just how long do we ride for free on this bus?
Thoughts, ideas, remarke,s re funding even if only in part the work GY mostly and others have put in.
If we can afford to help why not?

Well now focused on the funding issue asonly a few want to talk about any perceived issues withthe site.
And no one about the funding.
It has always been a truth.
If rattling the tin can for just about any cause it will be those who can least afford it who give the most.
Many of us have spoken to GY at different times about the prospect of an upgrade.
And yes funding the place.
And quite a few donate.
Some want the first but not the second.
We are seeing news papers charge, and maybe some dieing as a hard copy thing.
Change we can not yet imagine is the future.
Do we want to move toward this future with the site?
Are we willing to pay to see our upgrades.

Belly>> If we can afford to help why not?<<

Absolutely china, I could not agree more, GY is like the uncle who lets you get away with stuff...

As soon as I am done sending my taxes to foreign banking institutions to pay back the largest taxpayer debt in our history....I will send a quid.

You Labor fellas can't keep your hands out of our pockets .....and bank accounts.... and superannuation funds....and kebabs.....
My local kebab man put his kebabs up by a dollar. He tells me his power bill was $6000 pre carbon tax, his last was $13,000.....Keep your hands out of my pocket Belly.

SOG you have informed me about your history and I respect that.
You too warn me you will be just as hard on any Liberal Government.
Well if I could draw a cartoon, much in the style of the old Bulletin past greats.
I would draw you as a dog chasing its own tail.
No disrespect, but we con our selves, we the voters of this country.
We see dead people!
Well maybe not, but we refuse! at any cost, to see any good in our opponent and any bad in our team.
What truly is funny in doing that we prove we do not have a clue.
We should drive directions in politics not be driven.
Two men are standing for the job, both have faults one has told us he lies.
The better informed of us did not need to be told.
GY is a Liberal, yet he lets a welded on Labor tragic like me post/tell it like I am convinced it is.
Many do give to this site, many could without pain.
It costs to provide us a paddock.
And to let us play verbal tennis in it.

Ok china I get the point.

A small wager SOG if Abbott wins you and others with in 12 months will talk of the abuse of power he uses to do Murdock,s bidding.
Too of his broken promises.
And his Socialism for middle class and cuts for the less well off.

Dear Belly,

When you lay into the Libs you are absolutely right. When others lay into Labor they are absolutely right. You are rusted on supporters of two bankrupt parties. There is little hope from either. Labor has a culture of corruption, and the Libs have a culture of following the likes of Rupert Murdoch and Gina Rinehart - two different ways of screwing most Australians.

China I don't know why you continually address me as an Abbott or Coalition acolyte because I want a thoroughly incompetent government gone. They supposedly work for me, and I want competence.

I will relentlessly bag Abbott and his team if the domestic economy does not revive in 12 months. If I don’t china I owe you a shandy. But it will….always has, probably always will.

Did you see the national retail figures released today….lowest since 1960 something….

Siller is right. Islam had an early period of fostering creativity in science, philosophy and mathematics. After that period it went into its own Dark Ages. However, Christianity never had a period where it fostered creativity and questioning. It was only the Enlightenment which led to the secular state that freed western civilisation from the grasp of Christianity. I don't maintain Islam is good. All I maintain is that it is not as bad as Christianity. Islam has been oppressive and stultifying but not as oppressive and stultifying as Christianity. It has had a period of several hundred years of fostering knowledge as against no similar period in Christianity. European civilisation dominates in the world today through timing. While Europe was leaving their Dark Ages Islam was entering theirs.

Unfortunately barbarians sometimes win. The Christian barbarians managed to beat off the Muslims at the battle of Tours or Poitiers in 732 CE. This preserved the European Dark Ages for several hundred years. The Christian barbarians later reconquered Spain ending a Golden Age.

All religions are delusional systems. I believe we would be better off if they all disappeared. They vary in virulence from time to time. However, they only vary in degree of virulence. They remain virulent.

I heard the religion report on ABC tonight at 5:30. The program mentioned the religiosity of Rudd and Abbott. Both are devoted to religion, and I fear for Australia.

Belly, I reckon that had Mark Latham survived as leader you would have had a Labor party with some human character and as much honesty as a politician is capable of....at least he wasn't a lawyer.

By the way David, what was all that about? Wrong thread sport?

Dear sonofgloin,

I writhe at your feet in an agony of self-abasement. That was meant for the thread, "We must stop defending Islam."

However, this thread is "Had any trouble posting?" so it's an example of my trouble in posting.

In Greek mythology The Fates (Moirae) were the spinners of the thread of life and the personification of destiny. There were three Fates in Greek mythology: Clotho, Lachesis, and Atropos. Clotho, the spinner, was the youngest of the three Fates; she spun the thread of destiny with a distaff, determining the time of birth of an individual; Lachesis measured the thread length to determine the length of life; finally, cruel Atropos cut the thread of life, determining this way the time of death.

There is also David f who adds to the wrong thread.

SOG I fell for Latham, he was a fraud.
He had the best personal page I ever read from a politician, I watched and read it daily.
Held the highest of hopes for him had his first parliamentary speech framed on my wall.
He in a small part saw the ALP power brokers for what they are.
But long before his head on with his own personality he was proved by his actions to be a waste of the air he continues to breath.
Davidf you by default, by ignoring the mathematics of politics, and the unloved truth about the greens.
Vote for a Liberal Government.
Do the Maths.
Gentlemen if Kevin wins against the storm of self interest, that very win will see my party emerge as a true reform party and Kevin as the statesman he is.

Dear Belly,

I fully accept the truth about the Greens. They are unloved because they want people to think and question the mainstream parties. Many people hate to think and regard questioning authority as sinful.

If you want to call someone who was bounced from the office of prime minister because those who knew him could not stand him a statesman you can do so. Kevin Rudd is a voice from the past. He would break down what separation of state and church we have by his chaplaincy program which subjects little children in school to the primitive ministrations of fundamentalist chaplains from Scripture Union. I think it better to encourage children to think critically. Those children are our future, and they have a right to a good education rather than primitive mumbojumbo. Rudd so little understands the limitations of water and other natural resources in Australia that he talks of a 'big' Australia. He races Tony Abbott to the bottom in getting tough with asylum seekers. That creature is a statesman? My vote is not determined by the mathematics of people who are for or against something. It is determined by what I think is right, my hopes and my fears. I shall put both Labor and LNP well down on my ballot. Since I am more afraid of what the Libs will do than what Labor will do I will preference Labor above the Libs. However, Rudd a statesman? That's the funniest thing I've heard today, but it's still morning.

Dear Belly,

You keep telling me that the Greens are unloved. Why should any political party be loved? I have never loved any political party. It is not sensible to love any party. The only good reason I see to vote for any political party is that it is the one you prefer at the time for what it is expected to do. One can love nature, mathematics, a person or many other things. However, I would question love for a political party of any sort. Is your life so barren that the only object of love you can find is a political party?

Dear Belly,

I'm sorry for snapping at you.

Davidf you get both persone land in truth a bit rude with me there.
OK but is your link to the greens a passion.
Do you see in them a chance to make this country better?
If so you ill understand, f not admit,my passion for Labor, not as it is, not as the last 3 years saw it.
And Dave not as the NSW FILTH painted it.
Unlike your self I understand no arty is perfect, but call constantly and loudly,for mine to be better.
And again unlike you, I understand what others think of us, and ,sometimes even agree.
Dave aim your barbs at me, but know my words about the greens are for the most, AUSTRALIA,S.
And kid your self, but the only party that can stand against Abbott is Labor warts and all.
Greens/Katter/Palmer/One nation are passengers gaining power only on the back of attempts to blackmail mainstream party,s.
And in circumventing their wishes on the majority.
Study the insanity that is the NSW upper house see the results blackmail of the elected government, winning a landslide within a landslide victory.
And being black mailed by small party,s in NSW that includes the ALP unwanted by the voters.
Dave personal views are not evidence any of us are right or wrong but mathematics are there to tell the truth.

you as much as answered your own question
as i noted that three question marks..?
or more than one '!'..exclamation mark..makes the page refuse to post

in the old days..we got told..'remove..?..'
but an upgrade no doubt..has simply now refused the post all together
that's why i dislike upgrades..[

as much as for new masters..
now your rich..you want a private users pay

mr bell
have a nice day

no need for reply
im gone..as the posting trouble is long gone

just avoid cussing/
and overuse of ?!?!*

Dear Belly,

Of course, my link to the Greens is not a passion. I support them because I agree with their policies more than I agree with the policies of any other party. I think that is the only legitimate reason to support a party.

When Keating won the 'unwinnable' election I was glad because I wanted Labor to win that election. When Keating said it was a victory for 'true believers' I felt betrayed. I have never voted for any party because I am a true believer. I vote for a party because I think they offer a better or less bad alternative than their opponents.

Mathematics tells the truth. Certainly it does if the numbers are accurate. However, there is no truth beyond the numbers. In Germany Hitler came to power by a democratic election. That did not mean Hitler was right, that the Nazis were right or that the German people were wise. All it meant was that the Nazis were popular at that time. The Weimar Republic was unpopular, and most Germans were glad to get rid of it. Those are facts that the numbers tell.

In a democratic country we accept the result of elections as what most people want. That does not mean that what most people want is wise, just or reasonable.

I see neither Rudd nor Abbott as statesmen or decent human beings. As with most other elections I will hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil.

However, that is no reason for being rude to you.

David in my youth I went to Tassy to voice my outrage at the Lake Pedder travesty. Later I watched conservationists chain themselves to machines and trees to stop old growth logging. These people were green. They had the “Silent Spring” spirit.

The current lot of inner city imbeciles who form the crux of the current Green Party are doing it to be different and cool. The reason I say this is the fact that CSG has been given only lip service from the Greens, they uselessly bleat about it on their web page, useless because they do not have the numbers to legislate against it.

Why are only the landholders and farmers physically protesting about it at the coal face so to speak? Why have not the Green pollies chained themselves to the drilling equipment in the traditional style of in your face protests…..why?....because they are not green.

They are exactly the same as the current Labor party, you have to judge them on results, not what they say.

Well to all 3 posts under mine I have to again talk about reality.
It seems probable the Liberals will win this election.
The press madness is getting support from working class Australians.
And it is always them, who toss Labor out.
A mixed and confused Senate will be a side issue.
And lead to?
A double dissolution of Parliament.
That will test small party,s and the will of this country.
Things like Climate change action, still off the greatest importance, will not pass the senate , not until and maybe not then, after the DD election.
In part, those fleeing both majors to small party,s, will get the chance to die at their own hands.
Being nothing but the hiding place for refugees from majors is no reason to damage the whole county.
This hung Parliament has done that.

Belly>> The press madness is getting support from working class Australians.
And it is always them, who toss Labor out<<

China the plebs have had enough, and I believe they are throwing out the personalities rather than the party. Get representatives of the people back instead of politician /lawyers and the party will come back.

Belly>> Things like Climate change action, still off the greatest importance, will not pass the senate<<

The other day I viewed a promo on TV with horrid images of flooding and high seas. The accompanying verbiage told us that the seas were rising and mentioned Sydney as well as other seaboard cities. In a recent thread on sea level rises I quoted the past ten years of tidal records for Fort Dennison in Sydney Harbour…..the figures were lower than the average over the past decade……Belly where is the sea rising….not down our way, unless the port authority is lying there has been no rise in sea levels around here .

Dear sonofgloin,

I agree with you. The Greens do not always give first priority to green causes. I am staying with them and pushing for them to give the care of the environment and such activities as stopping CSG first. If they continue not to do so I will leave. My first concern is what is happening to our planet. I will stay with the Greens only as long as I think they care about that.

SOG you do remember don,nt you?
Our debate on this subject climate change, well many debates about it in fact.
You told us how you judge the issue.
A bit like the swaggies breakfast, a good look around.
Not by reading the thousands of pages warning us about *current changes*
Bloke while manning a election center for guess what party over the last 3 weeks it has been the most mentioned and feared subject.
It will get its time in the spotlight before this campaign is over.

China, all I am saying is the catastrophic rise in sea levels that is sending islanders scurrying for their canoes is not evident in Sydney Harbour? In fact tide levels have been lower than average in the past decade. They are returning towards the average now. Do you think the missing water is the culprit….it headed up north to sink islands but has now returned to average out our tides?

I can stick my head out of the window to see if it’s raining Belly, I don’t need a northern hemisphere money driven conspiracy to tell me that, the same with sea levels.

Belly>> Bloke while manning a election center for guess what party over the last 3 weeks it has been the most mentioned and feared subject<<

No mention of a record $300 BILLION debt from these constituents, but the weather concerns them…..Where do you live, Nimbin…

Sorry old mate but your understanding of climate change is zero.
It in the last weeks of this campaign will impact badly on the mad monk.

Wind farms paid £30 million a year to stand idle because the grid can't cope with all the energy they produce

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2388417/Wind-farms-paid-30-million-year-stand-idle-grid-cope-energy-produce.html

Wind farms are being given around £30million a year in compensation to switch off or slow down their turbines because nearly half the electricity they make is not needed.

The cash, which comes from household bills, is paid when the National Grid is unable to cope with the extra power produced during high winds or periods of low demand.

Known as ‘balancing’, the arrangement is intended to compensate firms for energy they are unable to sell.

But as the number of wind farms grows, the rates have hit record levels. Firms are often paid more to turn off their giant turbines than for the electricity they produce.

Last weekend alone, householders handed £3.1million to energy firms for doing absolutely nothing as up to 30 wind farms were paid to switch off.

Associated Press*
retracts bogus north pole lake photo
http://rare.us/story/associated-press-retracts-bogus-north-pole-lake-photo/

In its retraction, the AP admitted that not only was the “lake” simply a small melt-pond but that it was natural, not due to global warming.

The AP also admitted that the “lake” wasn’t even at the North Pole,* explaining that the monitoring station..where the photo was taken had drifted hundreds of miles to the south.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/09/breaking-news-seventh-first-climate-refugees-discovered/

NASA’s climate “tipping point” fails to materialize
http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/nasas-climate-tipping-point-fails-to-materialize/

2008 NASA scare mongering which was disseminated by Voice of America (now deleted from VOA archives):

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/us-lawyers-challenge-hidden-evidence/57319/

According to this DMI temperature plot, the high Arctic has dropped below freezing about two weeks early
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/08/according-to-this-dmi-temperature-plot-the-arctic-has-dropped-below-freezing-about-two-weeks-early/

The daily mean temp 80 -90 degrees North has remained below climatological normal for more than 120 days, and has now dropped below freezing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1na4adCFiLw&feature=player_embedded

Take that Belly,,,,thanks OUG.

OUG old mate you will note I have been absent from your threads.
Not just by chance we hold views so very far apart.
You can lean on SOG,he too is a bit like hard work for me.
Some how a plea for any one having trouble with the site.
And my tin mug rattling on behalf of the site.
Got us back to my evil ALP.
Let common sense run away, let the thought we Labor voters are few and mostly maggots.
Let Abbott slip in to power then?
Let the little grub a Buildenberg member run off at the mouth.
It will give you both, and others ample reason to blast them, as our pain levels climb.
I must be mad.
I thought and think both sides need reform, that one day we would have an election based on policy,s not mud.

belly had you read my posts
you may have noted i sent kevie an email..noting the importance /urgency for him to attend..the upcoming g20..to establish a fix..for the global youth bore-dumb issues..

that see the mobs of radicalized kids protesting/in the main because of the no jobs/low wage problem.toop much energy..not enough fun..i..reasond tokev...send em backpacking..[like the rich cando]..

with a minimum govt provision..for bed /food health entertainment..which would revive tourism..as well as provide cheap backpacker minimum wage labor..for jobs unionists..have priced kids out of.

kevie ignored me
so i began noting more about him i didnt like
so now im suss on both xtian leaders..but you personalise it as a personal;..attack on you

look at the words you accord to me
i dare not even re quote least i reinforce ..

your belief in error
that i somehow hate you..when i dont hate anything..
in fact love people that stay and debate..[ie dont run away]
or avoid..or tell others to ignore

like you
im good at ignoring things
that could make me sick..yet i still read every post of yours i come Across..

so i dont say the silly things [in my opinion]
or the wrong one eyed things..like you just posted

you have my ongoing respect
for the life you lived serving others
but that will only last for so long..then i must correct obvious error

regardless of who said it
wrong is wrong..[and god knows..im often..as wrong as the next guy..except i can admit it..[on occasion][or when im among friends

One under God you miss judge me.
Based on what you have told us about your self we should be best mates.
I think we are friends but just can not leave my party and my view it best serves my class and country behind.
You have buckelys of getting answers that say anything from any polly.
The bloke who first sees them gives them to another who prints of the standard rubbish in no way addressing your troubles.
OUG I do not blame me but please try to understand, in truth do not belong here in OLO.
My views bring contempt and I can smell it, know my time here is coming to an end.
You in talking about dumpster diving know what it is like to be hungry.
Today in a dead end country town, few have noticed but the failures in life are being sent here from city,s and even far out back towns, to live in modular housing.
To as well be hungry and alone.
Abused me, for running a Labor campaign center.
See they see today I see a tomorrow a bad tomorrow.
I talked to two, at different times and what those poor folk needed most was to talk to tell some one their life has crashed and burnt.
I can not be any one else I am a rough living bachelor and one that was made to try to help others.
For you it seems my big sin is I think only Labor cares,not enough but more than the Squires mob.

belly..we are mates..but we arnt clones
your a big part of olo forum..having started more new topic's than any other..[i will bet]..

plus being respected
and loved..we hope you dont go

but you will do as best suits you..as you have earned that right
i too would love to see grayham..make some cash for running the best forum..like it is..or like this one
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

[now to comment..you need join..pay
even if olo went the same way..just reading others opinion..dosnt appeal..i need info..need to express..my feeling/opinion..

paying..just to read opinion..i cant see that working]
[thus feel..thats all a waste of time]..the same with party
if they just want willing free workers..with no input to policy

i like kev
plus i like tony
im not invested in whoever wins
there will..just be more pain..to the little voiceless peon

and more bailouts
for the rich..more jobs for the boys..
more people eating others rubbish..less people caring

we were lucky to have lived..in that in-between time
between..the bad ol'days..and todays way..when its all fixed*

[as in the horse is drugged..
the jockie has been instructed..and the other horses nobbled]

if only kevin had waited
solidified..his change..instead im not sure anything has changed

Dear Belly,

I shall miss you, but it's good to move on. The arguments grow repetitive, and the posters pall.

David f>>> Dear Belly,
I shall miss you, but it's good to move on. The arguments grow repetitive, and the posters pall.<<

This is not good news David.

There is a lyric to an Aussie song:
"Coming home aint quite as fine as leaving."

David I have found that coming home can be just as fine as leaving, don"t say goodbye sport....just say seeya.....and maybe we will.

Dear sonofgloin,

I wasn't leaving this list yet. I was just saying goodbye to Belly, but that's how felt when I have left lists. BTW what does sonofgloin mean? Who was gloin?

Welcome back champ....sonofgloin from Tolkeins book about middle earth. Gloin is dwarf royalty and the father of Gimli....Gimli is sonofglon, that is how his character is introduced in the book.

mr bell

we need you

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