You, as I did, can be forgiven to think Manus Island was some hell hole in the Pacific.

The 730 report will certainly put an end to that.

What a hide these labor fools have in forcing Rudds baggage on these peace loving people.

The other irony will be the way these illegals get cared for, three square meals a day and free accommodation, meanwhile, the locals have to hunt and gather in their lost paradise.

I hope every single voter here sees this vision.

Even taking into account selective Journalism, still makes one ashamed to be an Australian.

Shame on you Mr Rudd. Pathetic

PNG is not part of AU, REChub has turned green all of a sudden.
Lets not forget there is no running water there, Au is building a plant for them.

I agree, rehctub.

Doog,

"Lets not forget there is no running water there, Au is building a plant for them."

The only reason Oz is building a water plant is because it needs one for its gulag.

...........

I remember when an Australian mining company went into PNG and silted up the Ok Tedi River.

Completely destroyed the environment and the livelihood of the local population...but built them all sorts of things they had never needed before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ok_Tedi_environmental_disaster

If it's good enough for the UNHCR it's good enough for PNG.

Hold on rehctub, paradise is not lost on Manus Island! It might be some what different to what it was. That huge stinking pile of rubbish directly linked to the detention centre isn’t pretty, but overall, the lifestyle of the people there continues relatively unimpinged upon. Manus is a big island, some 150 kilometres long. It is hundreds of times bigger than Nauru!

I think you are overcondemning Rudd for reopening the detention centre on Manus.

The original offshore detention centre policy worked. It was a damn pity that the Rudd/Gillard mob didn’t see fit to quickly reimplement it quickly after Rudd’s unbelievable destruction of Howard’s border-protection policy, instead of waiting until the number of arrivals had really escalated.

Rehctub, you are rightly extremely critical of Rudd for reopening this whole massive can of worms. I would have thought that you'd support the same sort of policies that Howard introduced, including the reopening of the Manus I facility.

It's funny how on the one hand we apologize to our indigenous for ruining their way of life, (although I don't agree) yet here we are, sttingnus up for another fight, but I guess it's ok, because we don't want to live there, we just want to impose the locals with Rudds garbage.

Now, while on the subject of Manus, if Howard was guilty of similar, then shame on Him as well.

But Poirot;
They did get the gold from Ok Tedi remember that.
Its the ends that justify the means and we see it again on Manus.

Paradise lost or paradise best left for the native people. No sewage no running water, hot beer. Paradise in nature only. Sounds like a good place for dislodged gate crashers. What do these people live like where they came from. Mud huts, No sewage, they should feel, just like home.

Rechtub can we take it you are against Abbott,s tent city on Nehru?
An upgrade to take an extra 2000 there has been announced as his policy, I support it.
In fact wanting the boats stopped and I do, it seems strange at the least to see your view here.

I wish I could say to any overseas readers of OLO that those do-gooder with no answers but full of silly snapping aren't Australian but i think the damage has already been done.

.....Manus is a big island, some 150 kilometres long. It is hundreds of times bigger than Nauru!

Ok Ludwig, so let's assume we put them on Frazer Isand instead, after all it's about 75 km long, with a few residents, so we should be able to house at least half, and why care about the locals there.

My point is, you don't fix the problem by dumping Rudds garbage on someone eleses island.

As for the running water comment, it's a bit like saying our aborigines hadn't even invented a wheel before we came along.

The flip side of that is, did they need to!

So perhaps these locals dont really need running water, especially if it comes with a price tag of the distraction of their peaceful island paradise.

....What do these people live like where they came from. Mud huts, No sewage, they should feel, just like home.

doog you are missing the point, it's the garbage that is left to rot that is the problem.

Now on the other hand, if these people were happy to live there and also live off the land, provided it could support them, then perhaps it would be ok, but given their recent riot, I somehow doubt it.

Belly, if 2000 in tents means more of the same, then I don't think it's the right thing to do.

Unfortunately though, Abbott is simply trying to fix a problem that he did not cause.

As fir the problem, my view is still that we need to address the problem from where it starts, Indonesia.

address the problem from where it starts, Indonesia.
rehctub,
I somehow believe that Indonesia is not all that much to blame after all they're doing successfully what we are unable to do, pass on the boats. I would suggest that they're a lot smarter than our lot. I mean you can't really blame them from toeing the line when Mecca calls the shots. Just look at the millions of westerners who scramble when the Pope sticks his head out of the window & they're supposed to be more enlightened than those shown the way by their Indonesian friends.

The boats operate under the Indonesian flag, have Indonesian masters and crews and operate out of Indonesian. There is a lot that Indonesia could and should be doing to meet its obligations under the international rules for ships at sea.

Indonesia is evading its responsibilities. One reason is that it gets rewarded by Rudd for doing so - Rudd gifts Indonesia more ships, a plane and other incentives.

Indy look bloke not sure who your latest swipe is aimed at.
Not taunting or targeting you, but your words best describe *you*
Rechtub it is true bloke that long ago, we went past what is right or wrong in the way we handle these folk.
You endlessly call for an end to the boats, as I do.
Nothing we do is done without us being told we are cruel, even here.
Do you understand.
Your statements here put you in the heart of greens policy.
Both sides while shadow boxing have the same policy now, Nehru on your side PNG on mine.
EVEN IF both Islands are used, filled to the brim, it may take a decade to stop the boats, under any government.
IF we ignore the fact low life criminals are prospering from the trade.
And boat people challenging us to try to stop them, we will see it is not our task to put these folk up in the Hilton.
Harsh living conditions may be the best reason not to get on a boat.

Turnbull looked like a fitting person for the libs; but he has gone and disgraced himself, investing in a company set to gain mega millions from govt; contracts. The man is a fraud, and corrupt.
Abbott is stuck in gear as abusing the govt ; is all he knows at the same time endorsing their policies.
Treat the boaters like the UN treats them, tent cities. It's wrong for these people to gate crash with no ID and then expect 5 star accommodation.

Belly,
I'm merely saying that if Indonesia can pass them on then why can't we ? Why are our Navy boats going to within 40 or so km off the indonesian coast & then bring the boat people here ? Turn them back at the half-way mark & spend our aid dollars in detaining them in Indonesia. Once Indonesia has more than they can handle they'll stat to turn them back as well. As I said the Indonesians are a lot smarter.

What makes you think the Indonesians know where these people are, or how many. They emerge from the jungles when there is a boat available.
They don't advertise the fact that a boat is waiting or where. The only ones in the know are the smugglers. It's not easy to turn a boat back. What are they going to do when you are not looking [ how many boats we got how long is the Indonesian coastline. ]

doog surely aren't suggesting that high levels of Indonesian army & government aren't involved in facilitating the illegal boat people trade. Just how naive are you?

Nothing happens in Indonesia that the police, & army don't know about. Nothing!

Why the hell do you think they now want "consultation"? They are worried that Ruddy's plan might work. If it does it would leave thousands of boat people in the pipeline in Indonesia.

The last thing they want is thousands of these troublesome folk on their soil, hence they want early warning, so they can shut the pipeline down. They can shut it down at a minutes notice, if they choose. They will if we pay more than they get from the smuggling, or if we get tough.

Don't start that Rudd hoax about conflict with Indonesia either. Their army is set up to keep the peasants in their place, definitely not fight real men, with real guns. Fight Ozzies, you've got to be kidding, that's dangerous.

Remember how they terrorized East Timor, but took a decade to catch a few rebels? Remember how quickly they ran away when a few hundred of our blokes turned up.

Do try to look at the real world some times.

.....They emerge from the jungles when there is a boat available.

So doog, how come so many get intercepted so close to the port of Java.

Even if just these boats alone were stopped it would have a fair impact.

No doubt the smugglers have got help but it would be limited, or else the smugglers would find another way.
All of the so called refugees come through Malaysia. Java is the closest point to AU. It's a bit simplex to say they come out of the port of Java, Java has a very long coast line. They use small boats to load the big boats.
Malaysia is where they should have been taken back to, but Abbott could see the value of not allowing a vote.
It seems as though corruption is hanging over the head of Turnbull so you are stuck with Abbott.

About the time books and reading be came available to the common man, we heard wise sayings begin to tell us truths.
You can not have it both ways, surely both true and wise.
Some, constantly insulting the ALP government for starting a refugee flow.
Now get stuck in to them for trying to stop it.
A truth is shining here like a full moon on a summers night.
Tony Abbott is trying, his supporters too, to have it both ways.
A further truth, many want to denie, Abbott is starting to look very silly .
Little doubt exists he is hell bent on costing himself the election.
In this I have little doubt he is achieving that, by not stopping his negativity.
Will some Liberal point him to the PM,s office,let him see Gillard is gone!
He looks in every door stop to be the owner and sole salesman for a very shonky used car business.

three hundred years ago the british, portugese, dutch & spanish sent their people out to conquer the world, now it's the Muslims turn & that's all there's to it.

Java is not a port - it's an island.

Yes Indi, and we welcome them, and their religious baggage with open arms.

Now I am generalizing,are many muslms are good people, but, where else in the world can you not work, have a large family and sit back and let the tax payer pay to raise them, all while thumbing their noses at the locals, their leaders and their laws.

At times you have to just sit back and laugh!

I don't know if the situation is how you generalize it to be. If all these people are on the dole they would be in the unemployment figures.
The poppa says he is not to judge same sex interaction. If Abbott changes hid mind, we will know who is running for PM.

If all these people are on the dole they would be in the unemployment figures.
doog,
The Government wouldn't dare revealing the real figures. Would be good if some TV channel did a survey though. Even more interesting would be a survey on bureaucrats' pays & conditions.
And yes Manus Island is now a paradise ruined by our Government. Our own islands have become dumping grounds for career bureaucrats & Manus is becoming a dumping ground for muslims.

So it's not only Treasury that is corrupt it's unemployment figures. A good firm grip is what is required.
Manus and Nauru Solomons Philippines will all be a place of much activity, and much rubbish.

doog, any system that calculates employment as being one hour per week is false and misleading, however, in defense of the current government, the previous governments used the same system.

On the other hand, Under employment is a product of labor's doing.

Another problem we have is the working poor.

Are you aware that almost half of all tax payers actually receive more in government hand outs than they pay in taxes, so, this means that the rest of the workers not only pay the bills, but they also pick up,the slack of these payees.

Negative tax is nothing new, it's been around for at least 20 years.
One hour a week, can you substantiate that or was it written on a wall somewhere. There is more to it than your simple solution.
Not all refugees are idiots as u would have us believe, the ones i came across spoke good English and had various skills

doog,
ok then, deal. You take those whom we consider as of not much use to society & we take the one you think is bright.

doog, one hour per week is common knowledge.

Negative income came about when the do-gooders decided it was wise for paop,e to have families while relying on others to foot the bill. Even if the money, meant for the kids, was often wasted.

As forr me calling the illegals idiots, I have never said that so I suggest you have your wires crossed.

However, if I did, ome, please show me where I did, and two, please accept my appologies as that's not how I feel.