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Female genital mutilation.
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Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 29 July 2013 7:26:04 PM
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the non religous practice of murdering the unborn makes circumcism look mild. Redefining words can't change that fact.
Posted by runner, Monday, 29 July 2013 9:15:04 PM
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Runner, run away and start your own thread on abortion if you can't comment on anything else.
Having been personally involved in male circumcisions, and hearing personal accounts from other medical professionals also involved, I can tell you they aren't done these days for health or cleanliness reasons any more. (unless it is attended when some boys are older and have unusually tight foreskins). The days of circumcising baby boys because they may never be taught to wash behind their own foreskins in hot weather, or won't be able to wash at the war 'fronts' are thankfully behind us. They are done for religious reasons for Jewish baby boys, and for various other reasons for others. The overwhelming reason is because daddy had had it done, and he wanted his boy to look like him. It is almost always men that do the male circumcisions in Australia, and I believe in most countries Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 29 July 2013 11:42:16 PM
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Susie,
Had to laugh, you telling runner to start his own thread, when your post is totally off topic. OTB, again your info is wrong. FGM is overwhelmingly a muslim practice. There are a few non-muslims that practice it, but not many. It is not mentioned in the Koran, but other Islamic books talk about it and even quote the prophet on the matter. Some Islamic religious leaders support it and others do not. It certainly is not helpful when Imans such as Alfroz Ali say, 'Circumcision is the divine right of a woman under Islam' Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 12:30:13 AM
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Banjo, if I'm off topic discussing male circumcision then so is everyone else, including you < " At this point getting persons prosecuted for FGM is far more likely than getting the same for male circumcision."
It is obviously not such a stretch equating male circumcision with female circumcision is it? In any case, your main problem of Muslim immigration to this country is only thinly disguised by your professed disgust with FGM. Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 12:44:39 AM
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Banjo,
It was not my information. If you go to the ABC link you will find it is the finding of the expert the ABC found to interview. See here, "Hanny Lightfoot-Klein is a leading international expert on female genital mutilation. Her research across Africa over several decades has been published in four books. She says categorically there is no link with Islam." That rather surprised me too considering what I recall from the links I posted earlier, which are I believe authoritative and independent. These ones, Whose Body, Whose Rights, Parts 1&2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0kr6BiVZMM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSAjpzpF6qM Another circumstance where Muslims have a tradition that is said not to be part of Islam? Europe's experience of the practice seems otherwise and we wouldn't want to follow Europe's experience. Sometimes I wonder though about the editorial policies of the ABC and the SBS. Specifically if their editorial policies influence the experts they choose. Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 1:00:13 AM
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Do yourself the favour of opening your mind up to at least watching the videos posted above. Here again,
Whose Body, Whose Rights, Parts 1&2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0kr6BiVZMM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSAjpzpF6qM
Men of your generation know nothing about the procedure, but you recommend it for infants. Yet there are medical people including nurses on here who have tried to get you and others to examine the procedure and the case against it. Here, this is the procedure you support,
http://thebirthingsite.com/newborn-health/item/39-video-of-male-circumcision-graphic.html
General comments,
On the cutting of girls,
<EMILY BOURKE: Hanny Lightfoot-Klein is a leading international expert on female genital mutilation. Her research across Africa over several decades has been published in four books. She says categorically there is no link with Islam.
HANNY LIGHTFOOT-KLEIN: No one really knows where the whole thing started. It's often been described as Muslim but there's nothing really, you investigate all the Muslim actual activities and it's never been actually, it's not because of the religion.
EMILY BOURKE: And she adds that one of the features of the practice is that it's perpetrated by women on their daughters.>
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3590127.htm
There is no need to be concerned that the taxpayers' money available for grants to FGM will be reduced, such as the $1million of grants recently given to it. Sadly there is no likelihood that Tanya Plibersek would ever approve any grant of taxpayers' money for a publicity campaign to reduce the cutting of hundreds boy infants annually. That is regardless of the suffering and risks, including risk of death.