OTB,
Now you are back on topic, I will respond.

Firstly, the group I belong to (NO FGM Australia) does not seek and nor has it received any government grants. It is funded by members.

Secondly, I did not 'demand' anything. You assume too much. I said my group believed all 'at risk' girls should have regular medical checks to determine if they had been mutilated. Sure that would generate fear, fear in the adults that they will be caught out if they mutilate their daughters and also, hopefully, that message conveyed to others overseas that they would have to give up practicing FGM if they immigrate to Australia. This would be done if government was serious about stoping FGM.

Certainly stop immigration of the groups that practice FGM here. I have no hesitation in stopping immigration of those groups that cannot/will not integrate in our society. Similarly with groups that practice other alien customs. Like stoning women or honour killing and child marriages, or continue to carry violent age old hatreds of other groups. The ideology of multiculturalism is a farce.

You are right in one thing, I have little time for the alien aspects of some cultures. Those that practice FGM thumb their noses at our society and standards. We do not have to simply accept alien aspects of other cultures.

Don't forget we have tried education for nearly 20 years and the incidents of FGM are getting higher. I repeat no Aussie born girl should endure FGM.

My understanding is that, in Western society at least, male circumcision is carried out on very small babies, and as a properly performed medical procedure. Snip, and a small piece of skin of small value to the individual is removed.
Whether this is meritorious in the long term is questionable, but to consider it a severe malfeasance to the individual would appear rather overblown.

FGM on the other hand appears to be performed on much older girls, even teenagers, and in all cases is demonstrably detrimental to the well-being of the victim of such abuse, both physically and psychologically.
In extreme cases the mutilation inflicted is horrendous, involving removal of the minor and major labia, and of the clitoris - and even the sewing-up of the vagina, supposedly to ensure 'purity' before marriage as a proven and provable virgin.
This is nothing short of savage torture and barbarity, for which there can be no adequate excuse.

To conflate male penile circumcision with FGM (in any of its forms) is inane, and is an outright criminal sleight and defamation of each and every victim of FGM.

The world needs sense to tackle the barbarous and unconscionable 'practice' of FGM, not idiots running about crying about little boys 'bits'.

Gday morning onthebeach hows your day been.
We do not get along you and I do we.
Well once went OK in dispute resolution, thought it,may be worth an effort.
No on thinking about it, not worth the effort.
Seems we have both made up our minds.
See I remain convinced, dreamer that I am, some things are too important to ignore.
And too that a conversation about say sea water being desalted for our use, is not helped by talking about the mud it may bring.
Others have said post above mine, about the male op on baby,s.
Banjo, how OTB did your mind make up that government [cash thing?] and I talk of young girls being.
*BUTCHERED* dieing some times because of that savage act.
FGM is too important for wandering minds to get in the way.
Are we human enough to see that.

Belly,

Did you ever look at the videos I provided for you? Or doesn't your prejudice and need to play foolish win/lose games permit you to do that?

Saltpetre,

What about doing everyone the service and respect of reading previous posts before you launch and eschew the Strawman rhetoric, which has been used so many times by others already on this thread. You will see that each time it has been dismissed as the fallacy it is.

Your Eighties feminism might 'advise' you, but very poorly and with prejudice and malice aforethought it would seem. You need to open your mind to the inconvenient facts as well. For starters, you are one of several in this thread who do not believe that babies experience pain and that infants have a right too (as well as you) to protection against cosmetic body modification. Here is the simple snip and little bit of skin to which you refer.

http://thebirthingsite.com/newborn-health/item/39-video-of-male-circumcision-graphic.html

and,

here is Dr. Michelle Storms' presentation at the NOCIRC Symposium, Berkeley California 2010, an independent, woman doctor's professional view on cutting. Intending mothers should take the time watch it and act on their own conscience later to resist the offensive religious fundies and charlatans who claim to improve on what a mother has borne,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWpZLhz8Isc

Banjo,

There isn't anything in you post that hasn't been dealt with already and likely several times over. However you have managed to make it very obvious how you differ with Labor's policies on multiculturalism, immigration and its handling of the cutting of girls. While many might similarly question those policies, you go further than most. Yes, the policies are flawed in many ways and Labor's idealism and intransigence continue to produce unintended consequences. I think I have dealt with what I see as the deficiencies in earlier posts.

Try this one on for size. They even try to hide the prevalence within their community.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/solicitor-charged-over-genital-mutilation-of-sisters-20130801-2r0n4.html

That is nasty stuff, even more so because professionals are involved.

Education and western medical ethics, but still no barrier against committing the cruel offences. What hope for the next generation?