OTB, give you this for free, opinions are free.
We can all have them.
Some show the wise part of a poster, if they agree with us.
Some show an inability to see other than their owners views.
MANY HERE tell me I am blind/being conned/unable to see faults in my side of politics.
Standing on a hill of evidence found in my post history.
Bewildered by those comments, from the truly *intellectuality blind*
I seek proof they have views other than those of love stricken sheep have for their ram, without finding any.
OTB are you certain you, not I are not blind to reality and truth.
Do you come to threads with an open mind, tell the truth now.
In throwing stones/insults we should observe it is often a glass house we throw from.

It is my view we should have been given air to talk about this subject.
But too that with open minds we can learn a great deal from what we saw posted here.
We saw some agreement that the practice was bad/ileagle here/ maybe just a little that went close to saying it was not very important, to some.
We got to talk about the male op, and it seemed to enter the conversation to take the heat away from a primitive operation some times carnied out by , well lessor educated people.
Cattle came in to the thread , only one poster knows why.
But let us not be too hasty.
Hidden here, in plain sight, is evidence of why things do not get done!
We get the boots in to politicians and just about every one, do we observe our selves closely enough?
To achieve some thing we need to come together.
Put our thoughts and wishes in a communal heap.
And each take part of what they wish/want out, excepting they only get a part of their wish.
That is as near as man in our lifetime, can get to Democracy.
And in wanting every thing our way or not at all.
We share in nothing no out comes and no change.
We can however, if we wish, read thousands of story's of young girls who died under the knife due to this practice.
Even in books written by fellow Muslims calling for an end to the primitive thing.
Or we can go and join the save the Whales campaign.

Belly,
I await the outcome of the court in relation to the FGM cases in NSW.

Hopefully convictions and serious penalties will change the attitudes of state governments about prosecutions. To me it is appalling that 'cultural considerations' have stopped prosecutions for 20 years. In truth, governments have been courting the ethnic vote and not wishing to get on the wrong side of some groups. All the while little girls suffer and endure lifelong problems.

So I look forward to the beginnings of change.

Some reservations though. I cannot find the court listings for these cases even though the SMH stated it was to be on the 8th August.

I have the names of the nurse and the Sheik, but the names of the parents and others have been suppressed and the name of the solicitor has not been available as yet.

I do hope the SMH got their info right.

Banjo I often speak of the 80% of Australians who think much the same.
Every word in your post I too share.
Even the clear one that governments both sides, are inflicting views on us those 8 in 10,who are un impressed with this rather nasty insistence if we do not like what they are doing we are racists.
OH our voice will be over ridden by the 20 per centers, those who love and pity but are unable to see the reality, we have become the victims in our country to others culture.
I have no Daughters, but 20 nieces.
The thought, and it is a possibility, NO IT IS! via a wedding that one of them would be put through this?
Is shattering.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/18379363/dead-diggers-like-hitler-soldiers-letter/
This link I will be told, does not belong here.
Its seems the only current thread it fits.
Some one may start another very long thread about it.
But I think we must look at it, here seems the place.
Men and women , on both sides of the debate, should see this idiot for what he is.
A fool and tormentor of those suffering great loss.
Too by his dress a man promoting separatism, in my country.
Maybe it is just me, but why is this grubby person in that my country?
Yes he is not representative of all, even most Muslims.
But if some see my post?
A full on attack on not him but me, for daring to speak the truth.
That should warn us all, our great country has difficulty's ahead, not just those who like this man should not be here, but at the hands too, of those unable to feel the pain his crime bought to Grieving Familys.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/lawyer-charged-over-female-circumcisions/story-e6frg6nf-1226693472527
Happy this link proves me wrong Banjo.
Happy too the number charged is is riseing.
But sadly given our justice systems well known lack of a back bone not sure we will see justice done.