Dear Hasbeen,

<<Others who want a hand out should ask, nicely, accept the decision of the taxpayer, & be prepared to do what ever is asked of them to justify the handout>

As a taxpayer, my decision is to grant every Australian who asks for it and has no other income, that meagre minimal sum of money that is barely sufficient to frugally subsist on, with no further demands and no further questions. This will allow everyone to live in dignity, forced neither to steal nor to become part of the formal economic 'system'.

Abolishing Centerlink will alone cover most if not all of the extra payments, then so many other government offices and functions should be abolished as well, saving us, the taxpayers, orders of magnitude more than by trying to squeeze and chase the poorest among us.

Yuyutsu,

It's all about consumption, don't you know : )

Take this natty observation from the Myer boss on the NDIS:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-02/myer-faces-backlash-over-ndis-comments/4664668

"Mr Brookes said the extra half a percentage point increase in the Medicare levy would take money from households that would otherwise be spent in Myer stores."

Oh yea....

Great stuff Yuyutsu, I grant you the right to do what ever you like with your earnings, provided they are your earnings.

However I demand the same right, to do with my earnings as I wish. They most definitely are not yours to dispense as you wish.

But then you show your true colours. You want to grant everyone dignity. This is the refuge of the idiot, or liar.

No one can grant anyone dignity. Dignity is something that comes from within. No one can waffle around like some fairy godmother dispensing dignity. You either have it, or you don't. Money has nothing to do with it, except that demanding others pay your way immediately displays you have none.

I can now see your wish to be some grandiose god like being, dispensing the earnings of others on your chosen. Well, we're not interested thanks. The only dignity comes from being self supporting, & independent. Bludgers need not apply

Dear Hasbeen,

<<I grant you the right to do what ever you like with your earnings, provided they are your earnings.>>

Thank you so much. I am sure you do, but the government does not, they believe it's theirs to do whatever they like with.

Among all the many things they do with my hard-earned money, without asking me, welfare is the best.

<<However I demand the same right, to do with my earnings as I wish. They most definitely are not yours to dispense as you wish.>>

And indeed I do not, you've got the wrong number. I have no interest in your earnings, but I have no control over the earnings the government takes away from you: just as they never asked for my permission, they don't ask for yours either.

<<Money has nothing to do with it, except that demanding others pay your way immediately displays you have none.>>

Correct on both accounts. However, my reasons for supporting unconditional welfare have nothing to do with anyone's demands.

<<You want to grant everyone dignity.>>

This is not what I wrote - I wrote: "This will ALLOW everyone to live in dignity". Whether people in fact choose to live with dignity is up to them. All I ask here is to prevent hunger being the reason for anyone losing their dignity.

<<The only dignity comes from being self supporting, & independent.>>

Well, I do not agree that dignity and/or "self supporting" is related to taking part in the economy to earn money. It is rather those people who receive a pay for putting trash in your mailbox, or for selling horrible and unconscionable things, that have no dignity, while the ones who refuse to do so, thus remaining unemployed, are the ones with dignity.

Part of another post that is I feel is relevant to this thread.

We have a society that has been desensitised to conflict whether it is at work, at play, at sport or on our many entertainment formats. It is in the interest of those who wish to control and exploit that that conflict exists. This includes big business, politics and unions. As a society we need to change from them and us to “we”.

The one thing that “we” have in common is that we all have to eat and live somewhere safe to survive. There is nobody on this planet that is exempt from this rule. There are however people all over this rich country of ours that do not have enough to eat and have nowhere to live. There are those who work long hours just to survive and those who get a fortune for doing nothing. There are those that get around $400 per fortnight for doing nothing that we call dole bludgers. There are those that get $400 per hour for doing nothing that we call lawyers. Which is the bigger bludger and drain on our productive resources?

Money is dispensed in many forms yet we only focus on the small end of town. There is in my opinion to much focus on the extreme situation that we as a society have caused over time. We treat our first Australians and from time to time other minority groups differently to the majority of us. Looking at things in isolation will not solve the problem.

We need to lift the small end of town and shrink the big end of town. Every individual should get their fair share of this countries productive pie, but they must participate meaningfully in their community to receive it. In the process we need to ensure that the productive elements, those who create the wealth are the ones that are rewarded the most.

Do you remember the “Courtesy is Contagious” campaign of yester year?

Perhaps we need a new one “Sharing is Courageous” or perhaps “Conflict is Cancerous”.

Producer:
I agree wholeheartedly with your opinion and suggestions regarding the handing-out of slices of the National pie!
Unfortunately, many of the contenders will no doubt condemn your views as being "rampant Communism"

We need a strong voice and a steady hand to summon the courage to speak out and to say what needs to be said, such as "who is benefitting financially from the influx of Asylum Seekers",... could certain members of Government be reaping reward either financially or politically from a continuing or even increasing influx of these people, who in most circumstances wish to get a slice of our pie, a pie which we have all (or most) have worked and paid taxes to produce!

This insane policy created by the United Nations and seemingly condemning Australians to have to share our country and our incomes with this group of financial opportunists, is being milked to the very limit, by a group of self-seeking politicians ( some not even elected to the position by the people ) as the problem creates more angst and uncertainty across our population, by the worry that we could see our country taken over by foreigners with totally differing social and religous cultures!

We should in the interest of cultural survival, say now to the UN that enough is enough, the doors are closed until we can return to a state of fiscal balance, and until we can get our own shop in order,...OR is there some benign group pushing this problem, hoping to gain power and wealth from the chaos that can result from a clash of cultures?