Another side step Individual

Clearly you haven’t read my previous posts and you are stuck in the one or the other politics pedalled by the two major franchises. They are the same dog Individual with a slightly different leg action, but the same dog whether you like it or not. If you were close to the issue over a 25 year period you would be aware the rorts as you call them happened before, during and up to the current period. The red franchise has not been in power that long.

For the next election it is reasonable to expect neither party to have absolute power as MINI-ME has in Queensland, with less than 50% of the vote. My preference which is clearly on the record is HANG them this election and move to representative democratic proportional system. If you support neither you would support this as well?

Now don’t get side tracked, respond to my specific challenge, what solution would you suggest? Debate me if you dare!

Loudmouth – You clearly have concerns with the current system, what are your thoughts regarding replacing the dole (sit down money) with a minimum wage with conditions linked to productivity?

Belly – You cannot expect an Ineptocracy of parasites to progress change. Like all revolution it will come from the base not the tip. The tail is wagging the proverbial red dog. You are flogging a dead horse, but the other one is dead also. We need lots of ponies.

Hi Producer,

More work horses, fewer show-ponies :)

I'm not sure what you mean by ": .... replacing the dole (sit down money) with a minimum wage with conditions linked to productivity.... "

Doesn't somebody have to have a job to get a minimum wage ? And if we talk about productivity, then we can't be talking about make-work jobs, and probably, in many 'communities', there are not, and never will be, any genuine jobs - except jobs for social workers that depend on maintaining people on welfare, that is. So to avoid that ghastly situation, people will probably have to move to get jobs. Stiff. Join the world.

And most likely, the people in remote 'communities' who move will be younger women, young mothers desperate to do something for their kids. Most likely too, the only jobs they can do, apart from child care and other [possibly] make-work jobs, are pretty crummy jobs like cleaning, stacking shelves, in towns like Tennant Creek and Port Augusta and Kalgoorlie.

If people are not prepared to do that sort of thing, then I honestly don't see any future for them, or their kids. Let's be honest - people in remote 'communities' have turned their backs on mini-projects like vegetable gardens, vineyards, orchards, etc. and a host of other suggestions, many of which could have been viable. And if not those, what then ?

And if not projects at 'communities', then where ? The glaring answer - and for individuals - is to get to towns, and to look for whatever crummy work might be available and seize it with both hands.

No, Pollyanna, there may not be a fairy-tale ending to this story.

Joe

Now don’t get side tracked, respond to my specific challenge, what solution would you suggest? Debate me if you dare!
Producer,
I have continuously pressed the issue of reducing the public service, reducing public service pays, introducing national service & introduce a flat tax.
That would go a very long way towards sorting the rorts which as you say have been in place under various administrations but exploded out of proportion under Labor.
I would do away with much of the expensive machinery & introduce some pick & shovel work to get people to understand what work is. I would not just simply give them jobs in the public service just to meet some quota. Once a young person has successfully completed an apprenticeship they can then go on to bigger & better things that are available to anyone who has the skills. I would abolish those one week TAFE courses & turn TAFE into a Trade college for apprentices to attend in their own towns.
Last but not least I would not let a young teacher loose in a classroom unless they've done two years national service. Also, I would demand that teachers can spell before going into a classroom.

Producer, you say how would you fix the problem, well, for starters, stop paying cash,as it is too easily wasted.

This may not fix the problem, but it will most certainly address one f the main causes f the problem.

I feel like I am watching an episode of Bargain Hunt.
A TV show when cash is given to buy well and sell at a profit, keeping the profit.
Like this thread folk forget the needed out come, buying what they like.
Not what will make a profit.
No one should like the missions out comes, by why measure that out comes based on our life not theirs?
How can we not understand some of the parents and grand parents never learned to read or right, and not only in this community the kids will not as well.
First focus on the problem, do not put impossible requests, think how we can help them fix it.
Accountability, a requirement for us all, why minimum wages? some surely will have higher skills and my scheme never was intended to cut existing jobs or wages.
Some with big family's however stay home and get more than wages, we are foolish not to see this.

Well we have stalled.
But we did get some agreement change ineeded.
We even got a few less one sided bigoted views that try to paint a people as unwilling to try.
I found things I liked came out but no concrete answers.
May I revisit a theme I started here, but have known from the day I gave up nappy,s.
Both sides of politics want change, both try, to put their version of what is best.
Just maybe in the midst of its re building, Labor may consider putting together a way forward , not the usual, a plan Liberals dislike so much they wreck it on replacing us.
Labor understands it must not move to the left, that path is death.
But new Labor can/should look at new ways to insure Social justice, after it retakes its heart and sole back from its runaway right owners.