Come on Individual don’t side step, be one and challenge my concept and pull it to bits if you dare. Don’t be individually the same as others of your philosophy! I have broad shoulders and can take it. Review my previous posts, I have no allegiance to any franchise. I don’t have an eye patch nor do I miss limbs on a particular side of my body. There nothing on my left or right shoulder whispering in my ear. Convince me, I am open to change.

To have witnessed stuff you would had to have been close or is it as you say “rhetoric”.

As for you rehctub, I say to much cash to much splash. Reduce the cash and watch many of the problems disappear. The subjects however are at the other end of the spectrum.

I have no allegiance to any franchise.
Producer,
If you don't want the Coalition means you want Labor to stay because you can't realistically expect any other party to get into power.
So if you're saying Labor should stay then you're saying continue the rorts in the communities.

Welfare is vital for anybody caught out for a short time. But past a certain time, maybe three months, maybe six months, and a person on welfare gets resigned to it, or used to it, or prefers it. Why should able-bodied people be on welfare ? Why don't they have skills to get work ? So why aren't opportunities to train for those skills available ?

Even without much in the way of skills, people can still pick fruit, or melons or peas or whatever.

So, if such a job is available within, say, 45 minutes of driving, then welfare payments for able-bodied people, who are not looking after kids or disabled, should be suspended. In gthe seventies, in fruit-growing areas, it was taken for granted that UB was suspended once the picking season started.

The alternatie to hard, boring, dirty and dangerous work is to get better skills - ideally, as Twiggy Forrest has found, the jobs should be identified and people should get the skills for those jobs. It shouldn't take too long for basic skills-attainment, six months max.

Once people are required to work, then they - and their kids - might start to 'appreciate' the need to get better skills, and get out of lousy jobs into better ones. And maybe, just maybe, that notion will get acrosss to kids - that take it for granted, they will have to work, so they had better get some decent skills, and for that, they need a regular education.

There's a lot of ifs in all that, but that's maybe the only hard, bitter route available, especially if people have allowed their skills and education to decline to almost nothing.

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Maybe the tragedy these days is that there aren't enough lousy, dirty, boring, hard, dangerous jobs around like there used to be in the fifties and sixties, jobs that gave migrants their chance so that they could help their kids do better than they did.

Can the economy provide such lousy jobs ? Or is it too late for people in those remote 'communities' ?

The bottom line is that unless parents realise they should be working, their kids will never realise that they should be studying. Their kids will almost inevitably look for the soft option that their useless parents have taken.

Joe

Loudmouth this is one of the things that used to really annoy me in New Guinea. With only 25% of the population in & around towns like Rabaul with any sort of work, even the government would bring in a back hoe to dig a hole or a trench.

I had a squatters village near me. With no benefit system they all wanted any work offered, & gave tremendous value for the little they were paid. I could never understand using white feller machinery, with all that willing workforce available.

This post may seem to slip away from the thread, not in my view.
First rechtub, your last post, it may not seem so to you, but in effect it promotes starvation.
It is my view Labor will need to reform, both its own body and its policy,s.
I remain both ALP and convinced we are taking great policy,s to our grave come election.
Heated words will come, welfare brings heat,but all welfare and much both sides demand and treasure is fixed in our way of life but we can change without pain its out comes.
I think it is time for us to prop up those things that need it, and can be challenged by conservatives, or they will do it in a harsher way, for us.
Social welfare, can become a path for change in its self, in my view must.
We still have no idea how we find the work, not in my view in any way taking current jobs, self defeating.
But once, know it, like it or not, we got jobs in country towns for folk who never would have one, with governments state and local, we can do that again.
I hope Labor will lead the change, surely we understand jobs made should be true ones requiring good work out comes and true effort by workers.
Holding down a real job, in my view, is first foot step on the way out of the hell, for all, in sit down money.