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The Forum > General Discussion > ANZAC DAY is POLITICALLY INCORRECT.

ANZAC DAY is POLITICALLY INCORRECT.

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Yes, indeed it is. Lets analyse.

1/ It commemorates:
a) Australian Bravery and self sacrifice
b) On the soil of a country we invaded.

2/ It offends some groups. How would Turks feel about us commemorating our invasion of their country? Hmmm..probably about the same as we would feel about the Japanese celebrating the Burma railroad project as a "Great engineering feat against incredible odds"

3/ It also must offend Japanese, German and Italian people.

OK.. you disagree ? then do you disagree with THIS.

LETS also commemorate

1/ 'POITIERS DAY' when Charlemaigne in 732 stopped the advancing Muslims at Tours as they slashed, burned, pillaged and raped their way from Spain to France. A battle which, if lost, would have changed the course of history forever.

2/ VIENNA day. Where count Jan Sobieski in 1683 saved Europe from the invading Muslim Ottoman hoardes.

If it is argued "Oh..this might be offensive to Muslims", then I counter 'CANCEL ANZAC DAY'!

It's about time we took the bull by the horns, realized our bigger historical heritage and put aside how celebrating or commemorating such definitive events are likely to 'offend' any descendants (spiritual or biological) of the other side.
ANZAC day began at Tours and was confirmed at Vienna.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 4:02:17 PM
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You can come up with some drivel BD. It would appear that for the most part the Turks are not offended by Anzac Day. Even at the time of the fighting it was recognised that we had much in common. Australian veterans have also saluted the bravery of the defendng Turks - what we have is a mutual respect. Dont lose sight of the fact that they won, not us! This was reinforced to me watching an Insight (SBS) program this time last year on What Does Anzac Day Mean To You. A young 2nd generation Australian, of Turkish background got a good laugh out of pointing out that he is not sure whether he was on the winning or losing side!

Celebrating european victories against muslim armies is silly. If the relevant countries that won the battles want to celebrate them, then fine. Why should I? Even if that particular battle had been lost it doesnt mean that the world as we know if would have changed. Did not Jerusalem change hands many times. And who holds it now?

This is just an flimsy veil for yet another attack on islam. BTW I dont necessarily have a problem with you attacking islam, but dont dress it up to try to hide it. You just make yourself look very silly and face turning potential supporters and sympathisers against you by attacking a venerated institution.
Posted by Country Gal, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 4:27:48 PM
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Quote:

1/ It commemorates:
a) Australian Bravery and self sacrifice

End quote.

And Kiwi sacrifice.
Posted by StG, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 4:43:35 PM
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Sorry, and also, ANZAC day is about the sacrifice of the soldier...not the politics.
Posted by StG, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 4:47:48 PM
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For once I agree with CG - Boazy really does spout some crap in his endless quest to bash Islam and Muslims, doesn't he? However, in terms of sheer bulldust quotient, this one ranks with his efforts to link Islam with the Virginia campus massacre.

Boaz often claims expert knowledge in history in order to further his hate agenda. One therefore wonders why he is seemingly ignorant of Ataturk's famous declaration regarding ANZAC:

"Those heroes that shed their blood
and lost their lives...
You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country,
therefore rest in peace.
There is no difference between the Johnnies
and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side.
Here in this country of ours...
You, the mothers,
who sent their sons from far away countries
wipe away your tears.
Your sons are now lying in our bossom
and are in peace.
After having lost their lives on this land they have
become our sons as well."

Mustafa Kemal ATATURK

ANZAC Memorial, 1934.

More likely, it's just another example of Boazy's well-documented propensity to tell porkies in this forum.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 9:00:58 PM
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Stg, ur quite right, it was about Kiwi bravery also. CG. I take your verbal right cross on the chin, but I hope you looked past my controversial title to what I was really saying, and it has pretty much nothing to do with Anzac Day per-se. CJ. seems to have missed it also, because he actually 'counters' the title rather than the development of the thought.

Consider this. When the Ottoman Turks were invading Vienna, I'm sure there were brave, noble and even kind soldiers who were worthy of respect amongst them and that taken out of the context of 'war' many of the inhabitants of Vienna would enjoy friendships with those who were attacking them. Just like I enjoy a cordial and jovial relationship with "Mohammad" at a gym I attend, and when we spar, he has to tell me 'You can hit me you know' because I hardly lay a finger on him.

I'm trying to draw out attention to the bigger historical picture.
We only 'are' what we are due to the major events in history which brought us to this point. They have shaped not only our character, but also the dimensions of the freedom we enjoy.

Attaturk is a man who needs close and broad sctutiny.

I suggest you read the following 2 links to see where he really 'fits' outside the 'warm fuzzy' myth we are endeared to for Anzac day.

http://www.gendercide.org/case_armenia.html
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/kemal.html

If a man is capable of such diverse and ignoble behavior, then we should be very suspicious of any 'nice' words coming from people with political aspirations in 'multi' cultural societies.

ANZAC DAY is VERY correct, but it is 'politically' incorrect in the sense that term is used. Sure, many Turks are not offended by it. Agreed. 'Islamist' Turks might have a different view.
I urge our government to consider remembering other key days as outlined above and that history be taught, including the Armenian Genocide, and its just too bad for those who might find it offensive.

Poitiers Day, Vienna Day. Lest we forget.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 26 April 2007 6:12:45 AM
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