Indy I prefer ignoring your diatribes rather than get bogged down.
O sung wo, yes I too know we are not dead yet.
But my words are to see this never happens again.
Few, who watched me work as a unionist, would not agree I had the ability to fix things without fuss.
And I countinue to be honored by the trust I had, mostly on both sides.
SOME suits clearly never knew the minds of our members both movements.
I talk still for those sitting in those lunch rooms and sheds.
The thought they are blind mice, will do as told is stupid.
You can not force views on them.
Every man or woman [thanks Kevin] who sits in a union or Labor chair, should remember its past, and hand it over in better condition than it was.
A silly class warfare, straight out of the 1940,s and 50,s is being thrown around.
Ignoring our middle class is for certain running the unions and party.
And that the wish to join them out weights and wish for a class warfare, a silly damaging one.
ALP needs policy's, some great ones have come from Rudd/Gillard that serve most not a class, leave the dream time3 stuff to the greens.
Hurtful to know my right wing faction, born to put us on the middle way, has dirty hands after shafting my party.

Indy I prefer ignoring your diatribes rather than get bogged down.
Belly,
you're already bogged, you just haven't realised yet what you're bogged in when you followed them by looking backwards.

I say a load of derogatory things to you Belly, but in my heart I have always know that you are a “true believer,” as I have told you I grew up with them tiger, I understand your passion, I hope your party finds democratic socialist trail again, but in saying that Simon Creans and John Faulkners are short on the ground at the moment.

Dear SOG,

Just curious.

Who do you think was a truly great Labor PM?

Dear Belly,

Who do you think was?

Lexi,
I have absolutely no doubt that there have been very good Labor Governments with great PM's but not in my time which goes back to 1971.
I can't even think of a great Liberal PM or a very good Liberal Government in the time since. I have however experienced both present colours of Government & I found that the Liberals do a better job than the ALP. A Labor Government on the other hand would probably come out on top if were there to be one.
The reason why Labor was so popular with the working class was because it was founded to service the needs of the working class. The ALP saw a loophole by pretending to be Labor & the rest as they say is history.

<< Sustainability, so what do you guys consider as a sustainable Australia. >>

Rechtub, I have outlined what I mean by sustainability just about every second time I have written a post about it…. which adds up to quite a few hundred over the last few years!!

The fundamental principle is to achieve a demand regime and a supply capacity that are harmonious in an ongoing manner. That is, to stabilise the demand for all our basic resources, services, infrastructure and everything else that contributes to our quality of life by stabilising our population.

We would then need far less economic growth to achieve far more positive outcomes. We would be able to balance the books economically, and our environment would not be continuously compromised.

In short, sustainability is the capacity to endure.

It is worth reading all of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainability#Principles_and_concepts

Rechtub, this stuff is so fundamentally important and surely should be of the utmost concern in discussions about our political future. And yet, it isn’t!! Which is absolutely staggering.

After you’ve read this, I’m sure you will agree that we simply MUST get our political masters to embrace a sustainable future.

And the only possibility of this in the foreseeable future is for Labor to get their sustainability-minded people into leadership positions… and make it happen!!

It is interesting to note that Kelvin Thomson has been talking about this sort of thing for years (go Google him – he’s got lots of youtubes), which pretty strongly goes against the Labor doctrine of continuous growth, and yet he hasn’t been reined in at all (as far as we the public know).

And Gillard chose Bob Carr, a well-known environmentalist/sustainabilityist out of the blue to pull into one of the highest positions in the country, again in apparent contradiction to Labor’s strongly antisustainabilityist very-high-immigration constant-rapid-economic-growth approach.

So I reckon Labor is not too far away from actually doing this!!