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The ALP and its future

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-28/green-is-the-alp-really-too-big-to-fail/4598780
Well I may get dumped by my party and my Union I am so proud of.
If so it will be in defense of both I fall.
The link is not my words but a truth can not be ignored.
Party members are hostile! worried, afraid, and bitter.
About the NSW defeat, the then not fully known CRIMINAL BETRAYAL of every party member by the FACTIONS there.
This morning, face to face with party activists I heard, did not contribute to, every word I ever posted here, my partys heart is broken.
And it is not just me, knowing our next leader will be one rewarded for- breaking our hearts.
Too that he and his ilk will not let us have true reforms.
Gloat if you must,but my words are for the love of my party and a scream that never before has this country needed a second force in politics
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 31 March 2013 3:26:02 PM
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< The consensus among the good and deeply invested minds who have written on the future of the party - Messrs Bracks, Carr, Faulkner, Latham and others - is that the ALP is in need of reimagining and restructuring; a broadening of its base; a forging of new points of community contact and involvement. >

There you have it Belly.

This stuff is of great concern to you. The wider picture of what we need to do in politics in the interest of our country’s future is of great concern to me. Marry the two together and there’s your answer –

Labor should reimage itself and become Australia’s SUSTAINABILITY party.

You have never really supported this. But what else could they possibly do?
Posted by Ludwig, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 9:00:59 AM
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Dear Belly,

Perhaps it is not sensible to love a political party. They change with the times and with those who control them. You love the Labor Party because of what it once stood for. The unpleasant fact is that it doesn't stand for it any more. It is the creature of people like Eddie Obeid and Graham Richardson. The Labor Party you love is a memory. It does not exist. Keating said you can't raise a souffle twice.

Dear Ludwig,

Sustainability is a great idea. It is the key to a viable future. Unfortunately there are not enough people who are aware of its importance to build a party around. The following will help to create awareness.

Public Forum
Dialogue on a Crowded Planet:
Population Policy and Dwindling Resources

Saturday 13 April 2013 - 11:00 am to 4:30 pm
Abel Smith Theatre, University of Queensland
(Blg 23, St Lucia Campus - located at the end of Campbell Rd.)

Speakers:
Murray Lane Population carrying capacity - past and present
Michael Lardelli Australia's fuel and food insecurity and the ongoing propaganda war over Peak Oil
Simon Michaux Peak mining and the implications of current corporate culture management of natural resources
Ian Lowe Population and Public Policy

Entry $5 - morning and afternoon tea provided
(Lunch available from campus outlets)

RSPV qld@population.org.au

If I go I will wear a name tag labeled David F. If either of you go I hope to meet you.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 9:40:35 AM
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Dear Belly,

I find myself agreeing with David F.

There are declining levels of trust in most
aspects of our entire political system -
including the media and its role in reporting
on it.

As has been stated in the past - Labor needs to
become more open, transparent and democratic.
They know this. "A Committee of Wise Men, one of
which was Bob Carr told it so back in 2010."
But internal reform has stalled. Which is
unfortunate. Whether they are capable of change
remains to be seen. It's impossible to predict with
any confidence how either major party will respond
to changing circumstances. The modern fact of political
life is a result of new technology which allows
political arties to see what policy responses will
produce an electoral advantage in key marginal electorates.

The media as has been pointed out previously plays a
vital part in all of this - they shape the view which
are expressed in news polls. As David has pointed out -
founding principles and philosophies have disappeared as
significant forces in policy formation.
Posted by Lexi, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 10:21:22 AM
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Belly,
The ALP doesn't give a danm about my future but I do care about theirs., which is hopefully none.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 2:04:13 PM
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Ludwig/Lexi/David f, it was those who formed the ALP, under that well known tree.
Poisoned, by some one unable to share that love, but those first Unionists and Labor members loved and respected my party.
In return I love and respect the work they undertook and the memory's they left.
They added great honor to the word solidarity, it no longer takes its name from men and women with guts standing together.
It now is a sheet, thrown over wrongs, to hide the truth , from not only Australia, but the very membership of both party and union members.
Australia needs strong honest opposition, that, for some time, is Labors future.
But can Labor survive?
Is it better that I scuttle away under the heap of rubbish currently hurting my party? pretend it is not so?
Did we read the whole link? can we all see to get a seat in Labors team you need to be, not 100% but mostly, a union official or office workers for a current member.
General public will not know, but time after time, Sussex Street, *party head quarters*
Picks its own candidate, over the wishes of branches.
Hide Ostrich like if you like, or join the uninformed comment, but this is true.
Rudd was dumped, not for his anger, he went in the self interests of the very UNION/FACTION blaming him and his faction for the sins they unquestionably own!
Dividing the party.
The right, formed to take Labor into the future, as a party of reform that had policy,s the other side and undecided could vote for.
Now is the reason we go it to opposition maybe for decades.
Had the HSU been a public company, had its victims, [ in strangest way] been what they are, victims, ACTU and Labor would demand action.
The ACTU has, it backed the continuation of that now filthy Union, stood against a group!WANTING TO DISMANTLE IT!
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 2:04:40 PM
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