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Posted by rehctub, Monday, 8 April 2013 8:53:56 PM
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Dear Ludwig, Belly & anybody else who may be there,
I shall not be at the Forum on April 13 but will be at the dinner wearing 'david f'. The dinner is from 6 pm at JK Tandoori and Curry House, at the corner of Station Rd and Riverview Terrace, Indooroopilly. It will be informal and inexpensive. BYO alcohol (the Indooroopilly Hotel bottle shop is over the road). Posted by david f, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 3:26:24 AM
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/power-struggle-in-victorian-right-wing-faction/story-fn59noo3-1226615258980
Wish I could be there David, it would have been ab honor to meet you. The link is posted as evidence my mob need to control infighting. I have another one to post both contribute in my view to the direction of the thread. We, all of us, should not discount Labors troubles, but not forget the other side has its troubles too, other than Abbott. Good news too Conroy is leaving after the election. What a shame he will not leave his power brokers job too. Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 7:05:56 AM
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http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/1418103/new-database-shows-us-informants-were-inside-whitlams-alp/?cs=12
This link, in part confirms my words about the Labor Government in the years 1972 till 1975. I rather think it too, gives an insight to what is being said, inside the party today. I will, as will many of us, belong gone when this depth of understanding the current party is openly printed. OH we will have our public dog fight, post election, watch, observe with interest as some who bought about todays troubles, claim they fought against it. Bob Carr, a great man in my view, was about 20, I am not upset with him or any one for their CRAWLING to the USA, far worse was done to us by the then CIA driven America, take Chile. At a dinner for John Ducker, I have the portrait, Bob we heard, as a 20 year old often answer hid phone, Ducker,s, imitating him. Today Thatcher is dead, many are sorry, but I am reminded, as I am with Abbott/Howard, of her modeling her self on Churchill, no feelings have changed for me, I held her in contempt then and now. But remembered during the mornings news. America in ww 2 made very sure, it tells us proudly today, colonialism was over. Yet without restraint it controlled even an Australian Federal election,in its own game of monopoly. It need not have bothered, I unlike many remember, a young American went to prison back then. For telling us how his country did what voters always intended, got rid of an ALP government. Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 7:30:54 AM
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Dear rehctub,
Let's have a debate on the government by all means but let's make sure we stick to the facts - and not just go with the beat-ups in the tabloid press. Commentators, the International Monetary Fund, the Reserve Bank, economic experts all point out that: "Australia's debt is so low, it has the gold triple A rating. Interest rates are low and our economy is the envy of the industrialised world. The fact is Australia's net debt is dramatically lower then the net debt levels of every single major advanced economy." "Our current net debt is 10% of GDP compared to around 80% of the USA and the UK and around 35% of Canada." Labor made a choice to support local jobs during the GFC, a choice many countries around the world didn't or couldn't make. They will be paying a very high price for many years. But you go ahead and nit-pick - tell us what they've been doing wrong, and how incompetent they are, et cetera. Without giving us the bigger picture. I'll be interested to hear your take on things a few years from now - if the Coalition get into government. Perhaps you need to talk to people from the states that currently have Liberal governments. Although I can see that it probably would be pointless. Your mind's made up. No point in further discussion. Labor's bad, Libs good! Mr Abbott will take your money - so that he can give you all the free things he's promising. See you on another thread. Posted by Lexi, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 10:00:29 AM
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Lexi,
US gross debt to GDP ratio is actually 107 percent. http://www.usdebtclock.org/ But political popularity is all about perception, and, well..... Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 10:10:03 AM
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Not sure your example fits the criteria though, as the enquiry has only just started, so labor haven't had time to stuff it up, or change their mind which seems to be their latest approach to just about anything they throw out there as policy.
Their on again, off again approach to policy on the run of late, is just verifying their incompetence and strengthening the case for getting rid of them.
Now I will ask you which of these more recent stuff ups has damaged them the most, super and the 'fabulously rich comment, their failure to roll out the NBN AS PROMISED, their failure to achieve budget, AS PROMISED AT ANY COST.
Please let me know if you need some more, alternatively, may I suggest you just wait a day or two.
At least when madam PM is OS, it reduces her opportunities to stuff things up.
Belly, What can I say other than check my post history on the topic, and you will note that I don't expect Abbott can do a great job, as he will have to plug the leaks left by labor, before he can begin to sail the ship.
I can't believe you labor supporters can't see the mess you have helped create with you support for these incompetent people.