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The ALP and its future

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/former-g-g-reflects-on-what-could-have-been/story-fn59niix-1226613600497
I lived and was politically active in the time of the story behind this link.
1972 saw me a little left of reality and a very confirmed supporter of my ALP.
Heated/exiting days, days of achievement and change and days of self inflicted wounds.
Only a blind person would not from day one,a lengthy two man cabinet, see all the above emerge.
Frank Packer then was what todays Fox news is,a hater of Labor on steroids he put front page hate and lies out , some times he onlyhad to look at ministers in the government to find a true story,some times he just made it up.
Labor must not forget the power of the press and self interested power.
Much of 1975 has been repeated, if in doubt read with eyes wide open, the full history of the dismissal.
Ministers having not to private affairs, ignoring the PM and continuing to try , for the right reasons, buying Australia back,billions of dollars.
From a slippery go between , someone found in a bar, nick named by tory,s, justly it seems *monkey nuts and rice*
Those not seeing some similarity between that day and today, are not looking in the same direction.
By the time of the dismissal I openly saw our faults,but just could not swallow Curr,s treachery.
Today, and yesterday in the Australian, my anger was justified.
But looking back Hawk/Keiting ran a tighter better ship, the big fella could not tame his team, the left ran amuck.
Strange today I am sure, it is the right, 1975 saw the landslide, it put a man we must judge on his time as PM, not his current persona big Mal in office, he wasted that time.
And he like his drunken mate, divided this country.
We are living in a time warp, about to repeat the past yet again.
I hope,think I know, Labor will as it did then emerge much better for its loss, maybe even get back to the joy of the night Keven 07 bought so much hope and promise.
Even achieve that promise!.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 6 April 2013 5:46:47 AM
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You're kidding Lexi, name one such achievement (that's been funded) as you must remember, an unfunded policy is really only a dream waiting to become a reality and, looking at their record, even when it becomes a reality, chances are they will only stuff it up.

Now as for employee/employer arrangements, you have no problem with employees having the freedom to pick and choose, but the employer can't. Is that what you're saying?

The next thing you sill be saying is how did our IR system get in such a mess.

Where did all this casual, or contract labor come from.

Where did the stability for the working man go.

Well, the answer is very simple Lexi. It's called LABOR GOVERNMENTS.
Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 6 April 2013 8:35:55 AM
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You have a point there rehctub. Many Queenslanders remember how Bob Hawke helped his mate Reg Ansett out in the pilots' strike, at the cost of Queensland's tourist industry.

Previous accommodation owners and other tourism operators who were driven out of business are still driving cabs and selling real estate.

The damage done to north Queensland set the region back decades.
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 6 April 2013 9:04:51 AM
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Lexi you are targeted by intellectual dwarfs.
In posting threads like this for 3 years, a little more in respect of NSW ALP, I never intended to please the following.
Liberals, Nationals, Greens or the true lost Tea Party followers of the former two.
Surely I am safe in claiming not one of the above, ever undertook navel gazing, reviewing the many faults of their side.
Rechtub and some, are like those primitive natives stuck even today with belief in a cargo cult.
Truth is yet to confront many , it will.
My purpose is plain, to be the voice on my party,s shoulder, reminding it, and those supporting it, other thoughts and the truth can not be hidden.
We must turn on our own self made problems, HARSHLY.
The dumping of a 1st term PM the HSU we pretend did not take place.
The call to dump free thought, inside and out side Parliament by my beloved Unions heads.
The disrespect hidden in that, the very idea members of both groups should not think.
They have, always it is from with in our ranks the LIBERALS RETURN TO POWER.
Last night, a mate, in pure sorrow, mixed with anger, told me after a lifetime of voting Labor, 38 years, he never will again.
He said 70% of those who shared his view in 2007, now share his new view.
38 members of *a Labor Branch* had an e mail telling them to forget federal issues, work at ground level.
Had I never been born, had my truths not turned me from a well respected union official to a cast off, my words would still exist, the truth Labor needs reform, that just like 1975 internal bickering has bought us to our knees.
And that NSW FILTH will be seen for a very long time as our brand.
Indignant? then say so! publicly flog the HSU NSW FILTH, DEVISIONS IN LABOR, RIGHTS OWNERSHIP, OR BE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 6 April 2013 10:26:05 AM
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....Lexi you are targeted by intellectual dwarfs.

Thanks for the compliment Belly. Perhaps nobody told you that you don't build a glass house, then throw stones.

Luckily for you, I don't sook when insulted, so I'll let that one go through to the keeper, perhaps you could learn to do the same, so at least you could stay, rather than take your ball and run, which is what you usually do when someone offends you.

Lexi
I often use butchery as an example, mainly because I know it well,so here's an example of labor's lunacy with regards to IR laws.

In retail, we sometimes switch from box meat, to body meat, often because there is a shortage of prime box meat, Brought about by export demand.

So, we need a butcher, so often you have to take one who can't bone beef, something that is becoming common nowadays.

Problem is, if we switch to body meat, we can't then let that butcher go, in favor of one who is a good boner.

Funny part is, good boners command a higher rate, so they can be hard to find, so it's not about saving money on staff, when you have to switch.

Now tell me, do you think that's fair?

And Belly, thanks to continued union intervention, the modern day meat worker is on less today (in real terms) than they were twenty years ago.

And they think they are clever.

I'll bet the union officials are on way more that they were twenty years ago.

Labor and the unions have made every day working people suffer, with casualization of the workforce and contract labor arrangements.
Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 6 April 2013 8:07:05 PM
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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-mp-the-jail-visit-and-the-dole-deals-20130405-2hc50.html
Rechtub, if reporting you to be the person you try so hard to make me see is insulting you, sorry, maybe it is true! truth hurts!
The link is only remotely connected to Labor.
It is a concerning link to Richard Torbay, the real him, who once looked so clean.
It by inference, leads to Obied and his filth ridden mate, Macdonald.
How ever see, eyes wide open,it was my enemy for ever, his Party the Nationals, who to their eternal credit, unmasked him!
Outstanding! praise worthy.
As my country confronts a poor government, elected because some in Labor are worse, we all except second best.
EVERY thief /fraud/fool in Parliament betrays us all.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 7 April 2013 1:10:58 PM
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