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Will Climate change impact on the election.
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Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 30 March 2013 8:19:07 AM
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Dear shadow
The carbon tax can not be removed because then all the small businesses will have to find a new excuse to raise their costs. My local mechanic blames all price increases he makes on the carbon tax. He and other small businesses will be stuffed if the tax is removed. In the past all price rises could be blamed inflation but some fools got rid of that excuse. They can't blame the unions any more, because there are hardly any left, the few that are left are on the verge of bankruptcy anyway due to the actions of unscrupulous officials. No removing the carbon tax would be a serious problem for far too many small businesses seriously damaging their ability to increase profits. I suggest the liberals bury the idea before it is too late. Seriously I don't believe the average Joe blow is concerned about the carbon tax one way or another and considering it actually achieves what it set out to do, it would be a dumb idea to remove it, just because of some misconceived ideology of the liberals. From the liberal view point it has already achieved the most useful aim of being being able to label Julia as a liar, not that the libs will be short of ammunition come the election. It also has the potential to blow up in the face of the liberals because of the treat to pensioners potentially losing their clean energy supplement. Posted by warmair, Saturday, 30 March 2013 8:37:48 AM
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As for the garbage that goes on about people coming here on boats. I suggest that those people who are so critical of them try living in a war zone. The views expressed by the libs and labour are disgrace, besides being re markedly stupid. They are trying to deter people from coming here on unseaworthy boats by locking them up on arrival, and at the same time telling them if they are persecuted, they have the right come here. We need to be honest, and say to them either you can not come here regardless of your reasons, and will be deported to your point of departure, or we allow the refuges in, which case they need only be detained for a very short period while their claim is accessed. I would say that would be days rather weeks. In the end if you are prepared to risk your life on a leaky boat to get here, no disincentive that we can put in place at this end, is going to much of a difference apart from wasting vast amounts of money. Posted by warmair, Saturday, 30 March 2013 8:41:06 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
You continue to sing the same song from your Party's song book. So once again I shall repeat the facts for your benefit. There is a gulf of difference between a broken promise in the context of altered circumstances and a deliberate decision to mislead. As such to continue to accuse the PM of lying, to argue that the carbon pricing scheme is based on a deliberate pre-meditated lie in itself displays some towering mendacity. That it has persisted for so long and spawned the meme "Juliar" (a term used only by the ignorant, boorish, and spiteful) says more about Tony Abbott's guile and ability to manipulate the facts for his own ends than it does about the PM's trustworthiness. Predicting the future is a risky business at the best of times but especially so in politics. Elections have not always resulted as predicted. Dear Belly, Wishing you and everyone on this Forum a most enjoyable Easter Sunday. Take care. Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 30 March 2013 9:15:49 AM
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Talking of lies:
Greg Combet writing in The Australian, Feb26, 2011 <Every dollar raised by the carbon price will be dedicated to supporting households with any price impacts, and supporting businesses through the transition to a clean energy economy> From The Drum, Apr21, 2011 <Combet boasts that “Every dollar raised by the carbon price will be dedicated to supporting households with any price impacts, and supporting businesses through the transition to a clean energy economy.” This is impossible. Under the “Fast Start Finance” commitment from Cancun, which Combet announced, $599 million will be given to the IPCC under Australia’s combating AGW obligations. This $599 million is on top of the commitment made by Australia at Cancun to give 10% of revenue raised from a carbon tax to the IPCC. Then there will be the bureaucratic expansion to run the tax, checking compliance and eligibility criteria; these administration costs apparently run at 50% for the Australian government. All this probably explains why Combet’s boss, PM Gillard, is saying “more than 50 per cent of money raised [from the carbon pricing scheme] will go to assisting households.”> http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/113676.html Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 30 March 2013 9:46:07 AM
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Dear onthebeach,
Speaking of ... Since tha PM announced the Sept 14 election date, the man who once wanted cameras to follow his every move has noticeably reduced his media commitments. He abruptly walks away from press conferences and is keeping tight-lipped in Parliament Question-Time (except for the odd interjection he seems unable to restrain). It looks like now that the scrutiny is being applied, Mr Abbott has nothing to say. The Libs spruik a supposedly "ready to go" set of policies, yet we have no idea what they are. No details have been provided on substance, how much they'll cost or how they'll be paid for. Their strategy for electoral success is to make policies a policy-free zone. Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 30 March 2013 9:58:18 AM
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No, you are always reminded that you are an avowed Labor supporter come hell or high water, who has no interest in assisting the LNP except with malice aforethought. As you have always assured the forum, you would much prefer for the LNP to be buried in a pit.
Your sole interest in mentioning Turnbull is to pretend some leadership woes for the Opposition as constantly affect Labor. To be blunt you wish the LNP every ill imaginable and you are trying to divert attention away from old barge *rse's sinking ship.
Swinging voters are not stupid. They know their cost of living has increased and their quality of life is down. To be blunt, who cares to listen to the party spin anyhow?