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Will Climate change impact on the election.
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Posted by Belly, Friday, 29 March 2013 4:10:02 PM
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Its either very funny or very sad. When I point out that their dear leader is a principle-free zone whose sole concern is power, the rusted on Laborites don't even bother trying to defend her. They just launch into the normal memes that AbbottAbbottAbbott is just as bad. The left used to pride (or kid) themselves that they were highly ethical and principled. Now they're just pathetic. Still they have to find some reason to salve their conscious when they vote to re-elect the worst government this nation has seen.
Belly, Where you're 'reasoning' fails is that you assume the populace will link the next cyclone or whatever with climate change. Unlike you, most people who have even a passing knowledge of the issue know that no single weather event can be connected to AGW and that cyclone activity can't, historically, be linked to AGW. Demonstrating your complete lack of understanding on this rather simple point whilst, concurrently, telling others they are dumber than their pet, certainly takes an admirable degree of chutzpah (or a monumental lack of self-awareness). Posted by mhaze, Friday, 29 March 2013 4:55:56 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,
I won't go into arguing with you about climate change. Atmospheric pollution is not an inevitable outcome of industrial technology; it derives also from political decisions to tolerate pollution rather than bear the costs. Control of pollution is politically difficult, however, for the economic interests behind "smokestack" industries are a powerful lobby that is reluctant to commit the necessary resources to the task. However, if world population continues to grow rapidly, if industrialisation spreads around the world, and if pollution and resource depletion continues at an increasing rate - and all these things happen where is human society headed? The most optimistic answer would be that one way or another, sweeping changes await us all. Dear onthebeach, As I've stated to you on another thread - the tooth fairy might make a better choice. At least it gives money and makes no cuts. Dear Belly, I fully accept your point of view and I understand where you're coming from and why. It doesn't stretch out friendship at all. Posted by Lexi, Friday, 29 March 2013 6:14:32 PM
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Dear mhaze,
Talking about self-awareness and chutzpah... I guess that calling people you don't know "rusted on Laborites," and using labels such as "Leftists," and the like, doesn't display any signs of chutzpah, or a lack of self-awareness does it? Posted by Lexi, Friday, 29 March 2013 6:21:45 PM
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While the focus has been on Labor's self immolation, there has not been as much focus on the boats and carbon tax, but make no mistake, they have not gone away.
http://essentialvision.com.au/carbon-pricing-3 That Gillard blatantly lied when she said there would be no carbon tax, has also not been forgotten. Trying to pass it off as rhetorical flourish is delusional. That the coalition has made a promise to remove the unpopular tax would make it difficult not to remove the tax. As the hand outs to sweeten the tax cost more than the revenue it generates, removing them would improve the budget position. I personally don't see Labor forcing a DD election on such an unpopular issue. Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 30 March 2013 4:46:40 AM
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mhaze good morning.
I have noted your posts, failed to agree. I said it does not matter if it is true, it being the publics view, opinions are formed for all reasons, including actual events, bad weather. You proudly push your *I do not believe in global warming barrow* Yet some posts here, from all sides, prove evidence is the last thing some require to make an opinion. I challenge those who think the thread is an attempt by me, to commit political suicide! Every time I here and in other threads say Turnbull may return, I am told I am promoting him. Comment and opinion, need not be a personal wish. Can any one not understand it was *THIS ISSUE, ALONE* that saw him removed. Again, for reference to those who think only their view is true, I put the issue as seen by others. Is GW man made. Can man reduce it. How. Is it just a cycle. Is it a fraud. Is it natural. Like it or not those are only some of the things people are debating. Will we pre election, talk about Abbott,s reduction plan vs Gillards? both waste the air they breath, but if they are the choice then who has the best plan to reach the very same target. And can extreme weather events contribute to that debate,here or worldwide. Posted by Belly, Saturday, 30 March 2013 8:03:30 AM
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In fact some posts are quite fun.
John Winston Howard, via his boss, his loverly if dominating wife, believes in climate change, and wanted to control it!
Steruth! not the God like John boy! yes indeed.
I put the deniers last, out of a list of views we hold between us, because the polls show it to be true.
I openly admit Labor is gone.
But put for review the thought, what if?
What if climate change becomes an issue, by that day.
Haters of Turnbull should know I understand he will be no friend of mine!
He is from the liberal side of Liberalism.
But, if we think about it, it need not be true, but what if extreme climate events come at a time that sees impacts on the election.
How easy to fix, in an instant, put Turnbull in the chair, Labors true believers believe me are best served by Abbott staying right there.