Both AJ and David, are in the science group that believes matter and life came of itself. Similar to an ancient belief that stagnant water produces frogs and rotting meat produes maggots.

They cannot produce evidence that proves matter came from nothing or that living cells had inherent potential in the nature of nothing.

mhaze,

You wrote nothing about emotionally held beliefs in you first post on this thread. Catching up to you might put me back fifty or so years.

You have not comprehended this mammoth thread and seem to have no understanding what imposing religious beliefs is all about? Your Islam infatuated brain certainly needs to actually read the words. Last time I say this. I am the president of the Atheist Foundation of Australia. Therefore here’s a question for you.

What reason would an Australian Atheist organisation concentrate on Islam when Islam has no power in Australia?

“Now let me get this straight. Are you now denying that you think belief in the supernatural is infantile as your website asserts?”

Here is what the AFA website says, which I didn't write but with which I agree.

“Infantile concepts seriously hinder the full potential development of humans in a world with problems that require logical thought.”

If you could read and properly comprehend, you would understand that the infantile parts of religion do hinder humans reaching their full potential. Maybe that happened to you, as an example. Or, maybe it didn't. But your selectivity in thinking strongly indicates something is interfering with your thinking processes. It could be just lying, I suppose.

I would ask you not to say I am avoiding questions as you have avoided most of mine. What Obama’s religious route to his present stage or what he actually believes is impossible to ascertain. Lack of intelligence is not necessarily an indication of religious belief but it can be. If he said he was an atheist, he would be out of a job. Stop being so thick, if you want to interact with me.

Now get on and answer the questions I have posed.

David

Josephus,

Science and I do not know how matter and life came about. There are various hypotheses; some show promise and one day may produce an answer.

On the other hand, religion hasn't a clue but that doesn't stop it making stuff up. God of the gaps is not an answer.

David

David,
Since you havent got a clue how matter or life came about; how can you be so sure atheism has the answer. You are therefore in this field an agnostic. Theists have equal opinion that spiritual intelligence created the Universe; because intelligence is the creative power evident in our world.

Josephus,

What are you talking about? You are confused. Atheism is accepting that your god and all the other gods probably don’t exist because there is zilch peer reviewed empirical evidence for supernatural phenomena. Atheism has nothing to do with how the universe or life came into being.

Having said, that, there are some interesting hypotheses out there that follow on from what is known that may one day explain it all. There is no indoctrination about scientific based origins. If you prattle on about evolution, I will assume you really haven’t a clue. Evolution and origins are two completely separated topics.

But, no one is threatening children with eternal damnation for not accepting those hypotheses and in fact no one has to accept them at all. I say again, there is no indoctrination process accompanying them.

However, the supernatural god hypothesis does not have any credible antecedent information supporting it. That makes it a complete guess.

The big difference is that not accepting the god hypothesis comes with eternal supernatural threats and promises and is supported by childhood indoctrination.

Any god that relies on childhood indoctrination for belief in it is not much of a god.

David

mhaze,
Obviously David was indoctrinated as a child and he has not grown over his rebellion as he has no understanding of the Creator of all scientific reality. This is the Creator mind behind intelligent science to whom we owe our life and being. From his continual use of the term "infantile" indicates how he believes in the Maker of reality.

He is not interested in science just opposition to it having the possibility of being made by a higher intelligence. He is promoting a personal opinion and not a scientific reality.

mhaze,

‘Infantile’ has been used about 28 times by various posters on this thread, mostly by you. I actually have used it three times not including the quotes of the word. The context of how I used it was not inclusive of every religious person as I have stated and as is obvious by the quote on the AFA website. Your confirmation bias won’t allow you to recognise that though. That’s very sad as it would be clear to most.

No, I don’t believe in your particular creator and I suspect you are struggling to believe in it yourself. That is why you make a case that wouldn’t hold treacle let alone water. And that is why your posts are becoming more and more irrational as we continue. You certainly are not a good advertisement for Christianity. But, as I have pointed out often, others read these posts and you are an immeasurable help in assisting people to escape their own religious indoctrination.

Your last sentence is incomprehensible but I’ll have a crack at it.

Wrong, I am interested in science and the scientific method as that is the best way of determining how nature works. Being made by your particular alleged creator is so far-fetched as to be less than a negligible prospect.

What personal opinion am I promoting? Please don’t say that it is that there is no god because I have never said that. I’m waiting for you to supply the evidence that all will accept that your particular alleged god exists. But it doesn't bother me one iota that you might think that it does. Just practise that belief in private between consenting adults and don’t let it interfere with politics in an unrepresented manner and we will get along fine.

Unfortunately, religion is incapable of doing that and that is the reason for the existence of the Atheist Foundation of Australia. I’ll be more than pleased when the AFA presence is no longer required. It may take a couple of generations but it will not be needed eventually.

David