Josephus,

That post was mistakenly directed at mhaze. Mea culpa.

If you disregard the first paragraph, I think you will see I have answered your post adequately.

David

David
We do have adequate evidence that creative intelligence exists in our universe. The human mind is such. It is just that you absolutely deny the possibility of an existence of a creative intelligence higher than human intelligence. The diversity, order and design of plants suggests creativity working upon the gene of the original plant cell; if you believe it began with one common cell to produce the diversity.

I think this thread has now expired.

Josephus,

You are not the arbiter of when this thread expires.

Do you mean the creative intelligence that has killed countless millions by way of natural disasters (and I don’t mean the imaginary flood that killed all life except the chosen few which, even as a metaphor is not the work of an ethical creative intelligence when amongst those deserving drowning were ‘evil’ foetus’ in the womb – I think the word infantile beliefs is applicable here)

Or is it the creative intelligence whose creation kills and maims millions by genetic illness and pathogens.

Or is it the creative intelligence that designed a system where all life preys on other life, much of it with a sentience similar to that of humans and some in the most brutal ways possible, in numbers that are mind-bogglingly huge.

Or is a creative intelligence that allows famine and starvation to exist when it has an alleged reputation of being all-powerful.

Or do you mean a creative intelligence that only permits itself to be recognised by a well-honed system of indoctrination of children with eternal supernatural consequences for not believing in it.

And, who do you think you are fooling by using the term, “creative intelligence” when you actually mean Yahweh/Jesus, one of the thousands of gods that have been invented by humans.

I hope you have learned something in this discussion. Try broadening your reading base as a follow up.

David

"What reason would an Australian Atheist organisation concentrate on Islam when Islam has no power in Australia?"

Well if you close your eyes and put your hands over your ears, you might just convince yourself that Islam has no power in Australia.

On the other hand.....
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/free-speech-dogged-by-politics-of-difference-20130120-2d13b.html#ixzz2IYAUxCvN

http://www.afr.com/p/national/gillard_backs_down_in_un_vote_on_BWa6M1TJJskwz1XPQ4AzxJ

David, there's no real shame in admitting that you'll harangue Christians because they only resist in word while steering clear those of whose main counter-argument is violence. Better, much better, men than you have done so eg Hans Rotmo, Penn Jillette. The brave souls in the activist atheist community are happy to see works of 'art'like Piss-christ but we'll never see a Piss-Mohamed.

Asserting that you would go after Islam is/when it gets more power is unconvincing and fools no one.

mhaze,

You dare accuse me of hiding from Islam when you can’t even place your own identification up on this forum. What is your actual name and address and how have you put yourself in the firing line with Islam (or anything, actually)? You are not just afraid of Islam, you are apparently afraid of everyone.

If and when Islam is a problem in Australian politics the AFA will probably be the first in making a noise about it. Can you enunciate the problems caused by Islam in Australian politics that requires the AFA to act?

You supply one link about Dutch MP Geert Wilders and another concerning a decision on Israel by Labor. Year, so what?

What exactly do you want the AFA or me to do?

Spell it out and stop being so obnoxious.

If Muslims needs criticising because of a religious stance on a particular matter I do speak about it as I have on Online Opinion. Have a read through this: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=14209&page=0#245941

And get back to me with some intelligent comment about it, although, I feel I'm asking far too much with that.

You have absolutely no case and bring all kinds of red-herrings into the conversation to cover yourself. You have displayed a fairly weak effort really.

David

David, "If and when Islam is a problem in Australian politics the AFA will probably be the first in making a noise about it"

Jolly good, here you go then:

<A radical sheik who has called for Australia to become an Islamic state ruled by sharia law should be "slapped down" by moderate Muslims, according to a federal MP.

Sheik Ismail Al-Wahwah, the Australian head of extremist Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir, suggested during a Christmas Eve sermon that jihad should be used to implement hardline teachings.>

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ship-out-sheik-ismail-al-wahwah-says-queensland-liberal-mp-steve-ciobo/story-e6freuy9-1226551484704

It must have escaped your watchful vigilance while you were sorting those long-suffering Christian congregations at Christmas. No sense chafing at the bit when there is work to be done correcting those "foibles" of religion.

A Prophet's Day prank along the line of your "Chistmyth" perhaps? Here is a calendar for you,

http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/australia/

You will not have my support for a Christmyth-like prank because I believe in religious tolerance and being civil to others. By all means criticise, but do it in such a way as to remain polite and respectful at all times. Goodness knows why anyone would want to stir religious observers on their special days. I regard it as petty and shameless attention seeking.