Dear David,

Over the last 3.8 billion years, organisms were specialised by evolution for the survival of their genes. Senses and brains were developed to find food and mates and avoid predators, but evolution had no reason to specialise in experiencing the Truth or the ultimate Reality, it just had nothing to gain by that.

For example, more obvious in some animals, but in humans too, the eye detects moving objects much better than stationary ones, which evolution considered "less interesting".

Are stationary objects less real than moving ones?

Therefore, for matters of survival+success I look to science, but for the true nature of things I look elsewhere.

<<Explain your method…in words and not jumbled subjectivity?>>

Words can only go that far. Words assume a common experience: if we're together hunting a bear, then our experience of "bear", though subjective, is similar enough to prevent one of us shooting their arrow at a tiger, the other at a monkey. That was accurate enough for evolution to find it useful to develop speech.

Without a common experience, words are futile. You say "let's hunt a bear" and your friend who's never been outdoors runs to the stock-market to buy cheap stocks. I experience a similar frustration when I talk about God and all that others can come up with is the Abrahamic deity.

<<Religious power>>

When someone charges a battery, or fills a dam, without using it immediately, without dissipating the energy, then power builds up.

When someone practices religious austerities for a while and not indulge as much in mundane desires, power builds up. This power is needed to break one's barriers to God.

If a person who used to be religious, having previously accumulated power, breaks their vows, then for a while they have more power at their disposal than others. That power was meant to lead one to God, hence that's the abuse of power, not religion, but the cessation of religion.

<<Who believes the god you speak of is a monster?>>

As you mentioned earlier: Twin-Towers; Suicide-bombers; Abortion-Clinic-murders... I thank the AFA for straightening those up.

Yuyutsu,

I don’t seek power, privilege, money, trinkets etc and yet your god and by the way, all the other gods, still hide from me. Why is that so?

How is it that one of the gods has revealed itself to you in such a certain manner? What special quality do you possess for that to happen?

David

David, Yuyu "believes" that Yuyu is God, and God is Yuyu. That's the crux of his belief. His confused mind doesn't see any God as "revealing" itself (because in Yuyu's mind, everything is already revealed and everything is already not revealed) .... therefore debating with him using logic and fact is a futile exercise.

His obtuseness allows him to successfully (in his own mind), answer anything whatsoever that's put to him.

DiamondPete,

Yes, but it’s too much responsibility being a god. I don’t think Yuyutsu has thought it through or indeed, thought at all. I once considered, as a child, it would be great to be Superman but then as I matured I realised I would have the capacity to solve all the problems of the world and would be obliged to do so. There would be no time for anything else. :)

Yuyutsu,

You do realise that if you don’t supply empirically supported evidence for your claims, only those who have taken their gullibility pills will believe you.

The problem with fantastically subjective ideas is that the observer doesn't know if you are lying or not. You may genuinely believe it true as did the Twin Tower etc. pilots or you could be fibbing for a whole host of reasons. This is the power of empirical evidence which makes is superior to all other systems. It eventually works out the lies and mistakes.

And even if you believe it to be true, that doesn't make it so and it might not be and most likely isn't.

Have a look at this video and tell me if the person is lying or is telling the truth? Don’t base your evaluation on the date of the video, only the content.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YjpcZPT1-NA

David

You and I understand that, Poirot.

>>Pericles, I think you know that it's a man who commits socially unacceptable acts.<<

I am merely curious as to how this simple concept fits into Yuyutsu's view of a "self-less" world.

To me, this approach flies in the face of morality. If Yuyutsu finds it this easy to dismiss the concept of individuality in favour of some kind of communal, joined-up spirit, how can "man" be held singularly accountable for what we might call, for the lack of a better word, sin?

Earlier in the thread, Yuyutsu's quasi-philosophical observations were little more than the vapid musings of a moonstruck hippy, and the fact that they led nowhere was only amusing. But latterly, they have veered off into an area characterized by a complete lack of engagement with conventional mores, and by extension, morality.

Which is far more disturbing.

Dear Pericles,

<<Where does paedophilia fit into this scheme of yours?>>

Though that poor choice of name does not describe the phenomenon ('paedophilia' means the love of children - what love is there?), the phenomenon itself is part of existence.

Yes, existence is an illusion and religion gradually takes you out of that illusion, but so long and to that extant that you are still held within the grips of that illusion (as probably 99.999999% of us are to some degree or another), to that degree you need to face its details.

If indeed you realise yourself, your own true nature, as God, then you would also recognise the perpetrator as God, the child as God, the policeman as God, the judge as God, the executioner as God, etc. etc.

<<But perhaps you don't consider yourself human?>>

Well isn't that obvious?

If you truly were a human, then you must have been a human before you were born and remain human after you die. Surely you don't subscribe to such nonsense...

<<complete lack of engagement with conventional mores, and by extension, morality>>

Complete lack of engagement with phoney, socially-based and fickle mores, such that are broken by ordinary criminals every hour of the day and night - along with complete engagement with higher and eternal mores.

Religious people, so long as they remain religious, are far more motivated to avoid hurting others, as that would take them away from God. They don't need the legal system to tell them that. Non-religious people OTOH have only the police and the like to fear of.