Very succinct Poirot, thanks for your efforts.

Poirot, qanda,

So ..... you are suggesting that it is true that there hasn't been any significant rise in world temperatures in fifteen years, due to some unknown factor ? But that there could be massive temperature rise in the next few decades, as a sort of catch-up ?

Or - forgive my ignorance - we are going through a period of coinciding long- and short-cycles in which - for a short time - world temperatures don't APPEAR to be rising ? But will soon, with a vengeance ?

Gosh, might there be factors other than CO2 to worry about ? The world is such a scary place, isn't it ? Obviously, we need a world government, under the control of Greens, to get us through this dreadful crisis.

When it actually starts to kick in, that is. In a decade or two.

Cheers,

Joe

:)

Loudmouth,

"So.....you are suggesting that it is true that there hasn't been any significant rise in world temperatures in fifteen years, due to some unknown factor ? But there could be massive temperature rise in the next few decades, as a sort of catch up ?"

No, dear....and now you're sounding like a bit of a thicky.

"....world temperatures don't APPEAR to be rising ? But will soon with a vengeance ?" (strawman inquiry !!)

What is it about the term "long-term trend" that escapes you?

John Cook pointed out: "...Instead they focus on short periods of the surface temperature record..."

You know, I'm beginning to understand why scientists back off from general opinion sites. I think they can do with all the help they can get from those of us who don't have a problem with following their more simplified expositions.

...but you do take the cake, Joe. You habitually employ all of the tactics that Cook referred to in his article.

Congrats on that : )

Poirot, excellent material and a fine argument on the subject. I am not an expert on climate change, far from it, but from reading as much material as I can on the subject, I can come to no other conclusion that man induced climate change is real, and without being too melodramatic, as disastrous in the long term for our planet as a thermonuclear war would be. Action on climate change is needed, and needed now!

Poirot,

So no answers then ? Just deprecation ? I suppose it's easier when you don't have any answers, more fun too.

Question: have average world temperatures NOT risen over the past fifteen years, OR have they risen on average by 0.525 degrees ? (Or was that 0.0525 degrees, a twentieth of a degree in fifteen years. Wow.)

Has global warming taken place over the last fifteen years , or not ?

Yes ? No ?

Hey Joe,

I once had a record get stuck on the words "round and round" - (true story), 1977 and I think it was the Steve Miller Band...anyway, taking with you takes me back to that moment :)

...so (to reiterate) What is it about the term "long-term trend" that escapes you?