Don't be silly Bazz. Warmists don't read What's up with that, too much chance of finding a whole host of real science, that knocks their destructive concocted theory into a cocked hat.

He also has a habit of exposing the flaws in warmist papers, after peer review by the hockey team found nothing wrong, & forcing their withdrawal. Not a good look for those who want to use the theory/con to send us back to the caves. Not the sort of thing that endears him & the blog to the converted.

qanda, precisely my point. Although I don't imagine that our society is any more dumbed down than at any other time.
Although, to be fair you cannot expect that only worthy climate scientists will want to have an opinion on the subject. Even those who do not necessarily represent the 'dumbed down'.

It is for this reason that I throw it out there to perhaps change the question. May-be then, it will not be so important to convince the beleivers (or sceptics for that matter) of the role of C02 or even other complex mechanisms involved.

I have no claim on understanding the maths or science involved. And yet, I too wish to contribute to the debate. I think that to encourage changes in human behaviour in this area cannot be a bad thing regardless of the scientific outcomes.

Gday Hasbeen me old mate warmist Belly here, had 25mm today!
Tanks not full but garden is grinning.
Ah may I point out what we read has an impact?
I read at least as much as you do but understand no more than Man of The Land.
My instincts say it is probably true man has an effect on climate change.
I think the anti stuff is a bit American Tea Party like,and headed for the same fate.
One of us is quite wrong, but you grow good flowers!

Thats what I say to illogical religious nutters MotL, "I have no claim on understanding the maths or science involved" you might not have any claim to understanding, but science does, and has reached consensus . Yes it is categorically and provably true that humankind alone has control over it's own fate, despite the unhelpful and misleading bleatings of redneck wolf deniers in sheep's clothing.

Yes and it also true that there is absolutely no evidence of a greater power.

Belly old mate, good on you. We only got 20mm, pour Brisbane CBD got more than they wanted, but we're happy with what we got.

Mate as a horse lover, & breeder in a minor way, [no not valuable race horses], I would actually love to see us go back to farming & transport with them. Just think of all the jobs for public servants, shoveling up the horse poo from the delivery wagons in shopping centers.

As an old sailor I would love to be able to make a living with a small, [say 50 meters] sailing cargo ship, replacing a few semi trailers on the Sydney Cairns route. I spent some time trying to come up with a way I could earn a living from such a small ship years ago.

Yes I would love to see it, but I wont, as there is no reason to, except than perhaps to supply work for the useless hordes.

In todays world, only about 10% actually do anything useful, the rest are at make work, only affordable by the immense productivity of one man, with a big machine.

In those lovely old days, it took 4 men all day to harvest an acre of wheat. Today one man harvests 50 acres a day, & delivers it to the rail head.

In those old days, one man could produce food for a dozen or so, today he feeds thousands.

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You'll be out of a job too old mate. Bullock wagons don't go fast enough to require good roads, no job constructing roads, when the wagon can just move the track ten feet to one side. It is us hoons in our cars that want roads.

So I have no problems going back a hundred or two years, as long as the elites come with us. If the truck driver/farmer must use a horse, so too must the professor. However it is not a good idea for most of us, used as we are to an easier life, & why should they.

There is as yet not one single item of proof that any of this is happening, & if it ever does, every degree will open up thousands of square miles of Siberia for useful production. A win win if ever there was one.

So folks, give me a reason, & I'll be on your band wagon quick time, but I'm damned if I'll ride the gravy train of our green/left elites, who simply reckon the peasants have it too good.