Anyway Abbott has to smarten his act up because he will lose the unloseable election if he continues in this vein.

There are forces within his own party who want the CO2 tax and the ETS,since the financial markets see huge profits in new derivative that taxes life and energy.

I think that the plan is to get Abbott in and use Turnbull to scuttle him and do exactly what Labor is doing.

You cannot trust any of them since they are all just puppets of the international finance system.

Yes Arjay, he needs to put a sock in it and let the labor party go about self destructing, which is probably what they are best at.

Unfortunately, they (the libs) don't have the faceless men so those closest to Abbott must take action, or we face the slim prospect of another term of wasteful missmanagement from labor, something I think we as a nation can I'll afford.

Turnbull's men are circling their wagons. What will undo Abbott is his pledges in blood, all of which are his own doing.
Not one word about how to run a nation, from the noalition. At this stage there is no reason not to have another hung parliament. Labor will get the green vote.
People are not happy with Abbott at the front, he has to go.

We live in interesting times.
The wagons are circling Abbott he will go.
But Labor is only within reach of Liberals, [we are in an election massive defeat position not the lead]
Because of him.
How will we go against Turnbull.
Now only Tony Abbott, and the need to save face, keeps Gillard in her current job.
Those who removed Rudd over reacted, and acted in part, for future leadership rolls not Gillard.
Having taken the Kevin 07 joy, and walked it in to the mud, they lack the guts to say we got it wrong.
Standing in the future, the morning after Turnbulls massive victory, amid the wreckage of my party I hear these words.
WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE DUMPED RUDD!
We knew Gillard was gone but could not act.
Ten years after that day, I and Labor voters in every state will hold them to account still.
Shame Gentlemen party first .

Belly, I agree that Rudd would be far better placed to win an election for labor, however, we must never forget, or forgive for that matter, his brain fart of an idea that has led to this illegals debacle.

This, above any other idea that has failed, has the potential to make life changing changes for us, esspecially future generations.

As fir Abbott, I said quite a while ago that all he needed to do was NOTHING and the libs would never be threatened at the next election, as labor are the masters of self destruction.

He is without doubt labor's best asett with regards to holding power.

The sad part, as is often the case, our country is left in free fall, as our leaders nit pick at each other.

Rechtub yes Rudd got that wrong but would he have fixed it long ago?
Remember too Gillard was pulling strings from behind and running her own race.
This much is sure she can not win an election.
Rudd? the man is driven, he will have learned much, may well be a different man now, he is still loved.
After a loss he will leave the house, but the replacement, if after defeat,will be tainted by voters and history for the loss.
Abbott? I reported honestly, his members openly asked in polling booths why must he lead.
He is not going to, not for long.