This comment by Tony Abbott in Parliament demonstrates again his poor judgment.He by innuendeo is aligning himself with Alan Jones' comments about Julia's indiscretions being a major factor in her father's death.

There is no doubt that Julia Gillard lied to us ie, "There will be no carbon tax under the Govt I lead." in order to get elected,but personal attacks of the ilk of Jones have no place in political debate,nor should Tony Abbott try to profit from them.

Simply put, it was a poor choice of words by Abbott.He should have chosen words pertaining to integrity,fidelity,truth etc but not aligning himself surretpiciously with words that even Alan Jones now regrets.

Be careful when you are near Tony Abbott. Not only is he a misogynist
among other things but, according to Tanya Liverstick he has been breaking the place up (parliament....I must have missed it)..and now he is going to blow it up!! So we have Pinochio Gillard and Guy Fawkes Abbot....

The speaker has fallen on his sword, despite the governments attempts to keep him in the role and his emails were so indecent that the contents can't be shown on ABC television nor printed. Surely they were not worse than Alan Jones comment? Is anybody going to start a petition to have him lynched? Come on, all you left wing feminists, get it organised.

Arjay I agree, and have been waiting for this day for a very long time.
Remember I am not a Gillard supporter, not even a follower.
But she turned this in to a clear and brilliant win, over the real Tony Abbott.
In first defeating the Kangaroo court attempt to sack Slipper.
Then the well placed word in his ear that bought the only exeptable out come.
Abbott has introduced a harsh period in our politics.
It may take a generation to remove it.
Say anything oppose every thing, has never been a policy long term use will be excepted by voters.
I believe SOME Liberal front bencher's tainted by it, are near the end of their life in politics.
Too that Turnbull not Abbott, is a shoe in for leading Liberals to the election, and win.
Gillard, the one of recent weeks, has done well.
But she can not win ever.
She has lost the trust of far too many men, forever.
Turnbull,s rise is not automatic fall of Gillard.
Self interest put her there,self intrest, not party interest keeps her there.
However well done Julia, you in the end, beat Abbott and his rosy cheeked mate AJ hands down, well done.

Belly>> In first defeating the Kangaroo court attempt to sack Slipper.
Then the well placed word in his ear that bought the only exeptable out come<<

Belly obviously a word in the ear is worth two texts in the hand.

Gillard has copped the appropriate lambasting from the Australian press this morning over her obvious support for Slipper over recently stated moral issues. But the international press has described her support of the flawed Slipper as a victory over Abbott……the Fabian fifth column at work in the foreign press no doubt.

A link would have been nice, havnt seen the news for a week or more, but all I can say without seeing the link, is that one hot day doesn't make a summer.

A the end of the day this is all about words, respect, or lack of in some cases, BUT, no amount of words, good or bad will fix the illegals problem, which is the one thing most people are livered about, because before labor came to power, there were no illegals to speak of.

We had a country that was beaming with confidence and anyone who wanted a job, had a job and had money to burn in most cases, as the word 'underemployment' had not been invented back then.

Oh, did I mention MONEY IN THE BANK.

For some reason these words of Abbott were removed from my heading."This Govt should have died of shame."

Labor have to go since they are the worst in living memory but the Coalition also need to smarten up their act too.

Just imagine if Abbott ever becomes PM.

One could spend hours ruminating on the varieties of "foot-in-mouth" statesmanship he could inflict upon unsuspecting dignitaries and diplomats the world over.

At least when his sloppily and hastily conceived sparks of wisdom are confined to Australia's internal machinations, his "talent" for oratory can remain our little secret.

In his resignation speech, Peter Slipper said Tony Abbot is a man of good character....and Julia Gillard is a strong leader. I just wonder if the ALP confidence that he will vote on their side is a trifle misplaced?
I am fed up with all the female muck throwing at Abbott, they are becoming quite hysterical. Reason has no part in what they say....they are determined that he will be shown as the mysoginist that he clearly is not. They are all so mixed up too..they try to tell us how appalled they are by the emails, but vote to keep Slipper in the speaker's job...can't have it both ways.
When they talk to the media they refuse to stick to the topic raised, but get on to their rant about Abbott...can women really handle the top jobs?

Arjay,
I agree with you that we now have the worst government ever and that they must be removed.

I also agree with Abbott, "The government should die of shame"

Problem is they have no morality or ability.

Roxon is the latest to publicly show she is totally incompedent.

*copped the appropriate lambasting from the Australian press this morning*
And the Australian press is known for it's impartial and fair offerings?

*his emails were so indecent*
And what of the rest of the MP's. Will they all be published to see if they are all of a good moral character?

*can women really handle the top jobs? PIPIBEAU*
Well here is another misogynist?

*we now have the worst government ever and that they must be removed.*
And replaced perhaps with the Greens?

pipi,

Abbott is second-rate pollie - shame n'all that, but there you go.

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/gillard-wins-a-verbal-stoush-and-maybe-an-election-too/

Robert Le Page,
Hello Robert. The reality is in Australia there is only two major parties who can form government. One os Labor and the other Liberal, in coalition with the Nationals.

I thought everyone of voting age knew that.

So if one party, in this case Labor, has shown to be totally incompedent, the alternative is the Liberals.

No dramas there, as they have previously shown they can manage effectivly and are good financial managers as well.

Robert Le Page, may I suggest you wallow in the remains of your much loved green party, as along with the so called independents, their days are numbered and, at the mere flick of a switch (the call of an election) they will vanish.

But hey, at least they had their chance, they simply were given enough rope, and they used it very effectively.

No complaints from this end.

Rechtub goggle the name of the paper you read and read it on line.
SOG you read the wrong papers.

As to wallowing in the remains of my beloved green party, they are not "my" greens but I consider them a better choice out of the alternatives on offer.
There are many alternatives to the two main parties to form government. If enough voters see that they are on an endless trip to nowhere with the liblabs, they could vote in enough green MP's to form a government.
Another alternative is for enough independents to be elected to form a third party in coalition with the Greens.

The Libs for a party that has shown they can manage effectively have also managed to get us into an endless war in Afghanistan.
As good financial managers they manage to make sure that donors to their party do not miss out on anything.
If the US election is won by Romney, there could be another war on the go quite soon and we do not want to be dragged into yet another war with Islam.

Poirot,

'Tony Abbott has hardly been deafening in his condemnation of his good mate Alan Jones in the aftermath of Shamegate'

Just exactly what does Abbot have to do. Physically slit the guys throat. Refuse to ever go on the show even though Roxon didn't even go that far?

It was a good speech from Gillard, primarily because it has hidden the real double standard. The timeline of this episode is as follows...

Gillards Father dies
Abbott states sincerely in parliment how proud her father must have been of her
Jones makes the comment
Labor attack dogs say Abbott is somehow responsible for this.
Labor ramp up the Misogynist claims
Abbotts wife defends Him.
Gillard's main man at speaker has been found to make misogynist comments
Gillard doesn't take any action

Umm......

Great speech Julia!

Houellie,

I agree with you to an extent. (your quote came from the article, not from me directly)

I don't expect Abbott to go to town on an ally like Jones.

But I do expect the alternative PM to have a bit more up top than to parrot the week's most notorious line as some sort of opposition trump card.

Hardly inspiring, although excellent vaudeville : )

Robert Le Page,
You said,"they could vote in enough green MP's to form a government"

Only one thing to say about that fantasy.

You should give up smoking the stuff.

Greens? come bloke they are road kill and this country better for it.
I must mount the stump yet again.
On behalf of true Labor followers, swingers who do not want to vote for Abbott but see no choice.
Gillard has in my view won the war Abbott the rabid rabbit and Rosy cheeked Jones have been running for more than a year.
Such is the pain and hurt, yes bigotry too, against a woman Prime Minister.
The deliberate lies, even in Parliament today, that carbon price saw electricity prices rise 70 or even 80%
Some, too many, buy the lie.
Gillard could not win a raffle.
Some, unwilling to say *we got it wrong*
Bank on our fear of Abbott.
WARNING, he will not lead if the election is full term, now! is the time for Labor to act.
How can any one, discount the words of Abbott and Jones? how are their words less because of what some one else said.
HOW can Labors Caucus leave the hopes and dreams of that night in 2007 to die at Gillards feet, we can win an election but not with her.
Me? not bigotry just an understanding, she has not got what it takes including trust.
It took till today, to take an open opportunity, to prove a months long lie, that carbon tax took prices up by 70% or more.
A good politician would have done that day one.

Right now there are new parties popping up all around Aust.Both the major parties support Agend 21 of the UN, which means poverty and enslavement for most of us.

These new parties need to come under one umbrella with a proper constitution that cannot be corrupted or over riden by foreign forces.We do not have real sovereignty or democracy and that won't happen unless we all get involved in the political process.

So forget about the left v's right paradigm,since both parties use this as a means of divide and conquer.On the really important issues like our financial independance,taxes and war, both parties agree.They both use side issues to confuse the electorate and keep us divided,thus conquered.

'But I do expect the alternative PM to have a bit more up top than to parrot the week's most notorious line as some sort of opposition trump card.'

It's piss funny. I truly believe this was a mistake, a slip of the toungue. Apparently he has used the phrase about 17 times this year or something.

The scary thing is that he keeps saying these kind of things, the guy's a time-bomb.

I find it fascinating as I said. For someone so often end up saying THE most crazy thing under pressure. He gives new meaning to 'brain explosions' they go on about in the NRL.

It's like Bazil Fawlty continually mentioning the war to the German guests I reckon.

Unless it's a brilliant ruse, and he is able to take off the microscopically fine line where people cant quite believe he would have said something that stupid deliberately, so getting it out there but making anyone calling him on it seem like the one who is being outrageously ungenerous and petty.

Perhaps he knows exactly, better than anyone else, the doubt line that he can get the benefit of. In any case if that is true he's a crazy time gambler.

But as I said I reckon he's just accident prone.

Or maybe it takes so much energy to hold himself back, these things just sneak through, and in a subconscious way he wants them too regardless of the political tactics and the fallout.

Abbott Abbott Abbott. The successful father, husband, Rhodes Scholar. Everything that the 'progressives ' hate he is. He could get them to like him by divorcing, turning gay and supporting to murder of babies. What a warped society.

Hang on a minute... or as Arte Johnston might have said, ""veeeery interesting".

If "the timeline of this episode is as follows...

Gillards Father dies
Abbott states sincerely in parliment how proud her father must have been of her
Jones makes the comment"

Does this mean all the brouhaha is because Alan Jones thinks Abbott is wrong?

Robert, can I be a mysogynst when I am female? There are many women I admire, but Gillard and her aggressive feminist followers are not among them.

The only one I do admire is butch., perhaps that is why. She seems to have more commonsense and is restrained when speaking..
I was brought up in a dyed-in-the-wool labour family, but have since become a swinging voter.
ASnd I hope this labour party keeps Gillard as pm until the next election, because this time I will definitely be swinging right..
Libs could do better than Tony though with his tendency to let his tongue run away with him.

Pipi I have not seen a statesman or stateswoman in Australian politics for a while now. Abbott may be a dribbler, but I will wait until he governs before I bring down my final judgment.

Away from personalities, which is all the Australian political debate has centered on in the past 4 years, I will vote on policies not ideologies or how inept and uninspiring Abbott or Gillard (or her replacement)appears ….that means a goose step to the right for me next year. It will slay me to cast my vote to a party that Joe Hockey and a few others not fit to mention belongs to, but for the good of the nation I will.

Sad that the old DLP is not around and unfortunately their spot cannot be filled by the greens. Yes, there is no “keeping the bastards” honest with the greens… but there is “keeping the bastards medieval”.

Where are the greens on CSG…besides a blog on their web site…pollution of our aquifers not green enough for them? Or perhaps they have been told to take a stand, but don’t act on it by the money that owns the movement?

Houllie

I think you should run for Parliament.

Houellie,

Actually, I think you're right - it just bounced out of his mouth (shortly before his foot bounced in : )

But wait...there's more!

Knowing how unassuming the carbon tax has turned out to be, he decided to give it a bit a nudge. Holding up one Hetty Verolme's lecky bill, he maintained that it was subject to an $800 increase compared to the bill prior - and what's more - 70 percent of that increase was down to the diabolical carbon tax!

Unfortunately for Mr Abbott, Labor challenged him to table the "bill", which displayed an electricity consumption graph on the side that showed that most of the increase was due to a dramatic increase in power consumption at Mrs Verolme's home - and that the increase due to the carbon tax was less than the 10 percent forecast...anyway:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-10/abbott-caught-out-on-use-of-pensioners-power-bill/4305908

Why would a man, all but set to take the Lodge, indulge in such a puerile escapade?

I mean this guy was a Rhodes Scholar...must have been a lean year for candidates when he applied.

The only question remaining is by how much Labor will win the next election.

The latest poll shows that Gillard, compared to Abbott, is the preferred Prime Minister BY FAR.

The poll trend has seen Labor consistently and steadily rise and rise and rise over the past few months.

On a 2 party preferred basis (the one that counts) Labor and the Coalition are now 50/50.

Abbott is absolutely loathed by the general public, with the exception of the far right wing supporters of the Coalition.

Abbott's consistent and daily lies about the effects of the carbon price, have finally become common knowledge amongst the general public. Why, even in Parliament yesterday, under Abbott's authority, it was claimed a pensioner had aprox. an 80% electricity bill increase due "in full" to the pricing of carbon. Guess what? The bill was tabled, under pressure from Labor, and ............... the carbon price element of the bill was 9.1%. Labor has ALWAYS said the increases will be around 10%, AND covered by compensation. So, Abbot LIED yet again in Question Time.

Abbott lies and lies and lies every day to the general public on the effects and costs of pricing carbon.

The general public is now onto the Abbott lies.

DP! dreams do not win elections.
Labor can not just wait for anti Abbott folk to deliver them a gift.
It must see the anti Gillard side is every bit as strong.
Two lost leaders, two wrong leaders make us all the victims.
Abbott is now the Temporary leader of the opposition, we must face Turnbull, armed with?
Gillards Gigglers.

Belly, you're letting your loathing of Gillard cloud your judgement.

Gillard is one strong, resilient and gutsy PM. The general public is coming to realise this. Compared to her, Abbott is just weak and abusive, and Turnbull lacks the ticker to rock the Liberal boat. In my estimation, Turnbull is a weaker individual than Gillard.

If Abbott had formed a minority government, he would have crumbled within a year. He's immature, stuck in his 50s ideology and can't even get basic facts correct during question time. He's been proven to LIE, LIE and LIE time and time and time again. He gets demolished by Labor in the Parliament, day after day after day.

Abbott is getting away with his LIES no more.

Abbott started the fight between him and Gillard. He was the first to routinely and personally abuse her. This worked for a long time as Gillard didn't reply in kind.

Over the past months Gillard HAS replied in kind, and Abbott has withered on the vine. He can dish it out, but is MUCH too weak to take it. Abbott's now wailing "WA WA WA, Gillard's so mean to me". Abbott's got no guts. Gillard is as gutsy as they come ..... AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC NOW KNOWS IT.

In Parliament yesterday, we had that idiotic drama queen Christopher Pyne, jump up in hysterics and take a point of order complaining that .... wait for it .... a member of the government had called a male member of the opposition a "BLOKE". Oh, the poor little, sensitive wuss. Pyne dishes out the personal and abusive dirt on a daily basis with constant, meaningless and disruptive points of order, but he finds the word "bloke" offensive. WHAT A WUSS. And we elect these idiots.

Pledges in blood will worry the liberal's. I think if there's a change of leader for one side there will have to be a change for the other.
Gillard is very strong, but likings will go for the new leader of the opposition for some time. And the libs can dump all those pledges in blood. Abbott will have an international image as a whimp, after the last lashing from Gillard.
Still a full 12 months away from an election, there will be plenty of excitement to come.

DP, how old are you mate? did you live in those 23 years we spent in opposition.
Feel the hope every election day then the horrible hurt and pain.
We as well as the DLP contributed to those days.
Do you remember the results of every Howard victory, did you see the depths Latham, Gillard on his arm took us to.
Remember Simon Crean? rode in to the house on the back of the trade union movement and his wonderful Dad?
He rolled big Kim, assisted by Gillard/Latham and others.
DP no chance not one Gillard can win an election.
Right now, confronted by THE WORST LEADER ANY PARTY EVER HAD she holds a lead only because of him.
Tomorrow, if Rudd Shorten, Combet lead us, we would be ten points higher than now.
But we are stalled, held back by a refusal to admit it was wrong.
We confront Turnbull and massive defeat because some own my party.

Belly, your personal loathing of Gillard clouds your judgement.

Gillard is one gutsy, strong and persistent leader. Labor is governing not just for the present, but the future.

Abbot would have withered under the strain very quickly indeed if the Coalition had formed a minority government. He's FAR too weak to not wilt under the pressure.

The polling shows Gillard is the preferred leader over Abbott, BY A LONG WAY.

The 2 party preferred vote is now 50/50.

Labor, under Gillard, has been steadily improving in the polling month after month after month. The trend is clear. The public is getting clued up regarding the amazing strength of Gillard, and the defensive, immature negativity and constant daily LIES from Abbott.

But belly, you don't see all this. Your judgement is impaired by your personal loathing of Gillard.

Belly, youre spot on, we have two lost leaders.

While some think Gillard has gained ground on Abbot, I see it differently, in that Abbot has simply slipped a few rungs to be below Gillard.

As I say, our political arena is like a game of snakes and ladders, trouble is, the only way is down. Comforting thought.

Robert, in this case I hope your dreams don't come true, as the greens want to shut most industries down, increase the dole and increase support and intake numbers for the illegals, all on a lower tax basis due to loss of inductry and jobs.

I prefer, for our sakes, to think you are dreaming.

As for labor winning the next election, now there's a problem, cause god only knows where we will be in another four years from now, if thempast five have been any guide to go on.

Nobody could possibly wish that on us, surely.

DP please please check your facts!
How cann you put on display the fact you do not know the current polls true position.
I wait for them like one of those folk sitting on the footpath for days.
To get a ticket or new I pad.
I turn them over and read then nearly upside down.
This is true, on polling day, NSW Local government, Liberals cried about Abbott Labor cried for Rudd.
I doubt you ever heard about faceless men, power brokers, plots and plans.
My partys birthright came from workers not suits.
We confront this, enough true beleaver,s and swingers will not vote for your red head to say, with complete certainty she can never win.
Tell me, please areyou very young?
We gain nothing by ignoring the truth.
Trotting off to get in line to, jump over the cliff.
Now, not after our near death, is the time to stand up for the ALP.

Watch what they do, not what they say...all this theatre at question time may be entertaining, but isn't it a curtain for what is going on?
Gillard has Thomson and Williamson hanging on to her coat,and she defended Slipper just as strongly even though she knew he was corrupt.? How can you trust her when she will do and say anything re remain in power.

And look at the promises like the schools program, promised but where is the money coming from. The carbon tax is still to make its impact, but what a fool Abbot was using that electricity bill!
The libs are supposed to be better economy managers...in this instance I wonder. C an't stand a government that has to rely on the Greens who should go back to defending the forests and similar things, they haven't any sense at all when it comes to other issues.
especially boat people. Where has the debate on that gone? Being covered up by misogynist charged against Abbot...I despair sometimes.

?

Anyway Abbott has to smarten his act up because he will lose the unloseable election if he continues in this vein.

There are forces within his own party who want the CO2 tax and the ETS,since the financial markets see huge profits in new derivative that taxes life and energy.

I think that the plan is to get Abbott in and use Turnbull to scuttle him and do exactly what Labor is doing.

You cannot trust any of them since they are all just puppets of the international finance system.

Yes Arjay, he needs to put a sock in it and let the labor party go about self destructing, which is probably what they are best at.

Unfortunately, they (the libs) don't have the faceless men so those closest to Abbott must take action, or we face the slim prospect of another term of wasteful missmanagement from labor, something I think we as a nation can I'll afford.

Turnbull's men are circling their wagons. What will undo Abbott is his pledges in blood, all of which are his own doing.
Not one word about how to run a nation, from the noalition. At this stage there is no reason not to have another hung parliament. Labor will get the green vote.
People are not happy with Abbott at the front, he has to go.

We live in interesting times.
The wagons are circling Abbott he will go.
But Labor is only within reach of Liberals, [we are in an election massive defeat position not the lead]
Because of him.
How will we go against Turnbull.
Now only Tony Abbott, and the need to save face, keeps Gillard in her current job.
Those who removed Rudd over reacted, and acted in part, for future leadership rolls not Gillard.
Having taken the Kevin 07 joy, and walked it in to the mud, they lack the guts to say we got it wrong.
Standing in the future, the morning after Turnbulls massive victory, amid the wreckage of my party I hear these words.
WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE DUMPED RUDD!
We knew Gillard was gone but could not act.
Ten years after that day, I and Labor voters in every state will hold them to account still.
Shame Gentlemen party first .

Belly, I agree that Rudd would be far better placed to win an election for labor, however, we must never forget, or forgive for that matter, his brain fart of an idea that has led to this illegals debacle.

This, above any other idea that has failed, has the potential to make life changing changes for us, esspecially future generations.

As fir Abbott, I said quite a while ago that all he needed to do was NOTHING and the libs would never be threatened at the next election, as labor are the masters of self destruction.

He is without doubt labor's best asett with regards to holding power.

The sad part, as is often the case, our country is left in free fall, as our leaders nit pick at each other.

Rechtub yes Rudd got that wrong but would he have fixed it long ago?
Remember too Gillard was pulling strings from behind and running her own race.
This much is sure she can not win an election.
Rudd? the man is driven, he will have learned much, may well be a different man now, he is still loved.
After a loss he will leave the house, but the replacement, if after defeat,will be tainted by voters and history for the loss.
Abbott? I reported honestly, his members openly asked in polling booths why must he lead.
He is not going to, not for long.