I doubt, as advice has constantly told us temporary protection visas will work.
We could fill Nehru today, and Manus in a month.
What once worked will not now.
Strange but my firm view Tony Abbott or who ever replaces him, will need Malaya too.
I still see, more certain every day Gillard remains, a landslide to the coalition.
But if they are to get the Senate a massive task is in front of them.
Impossible in fact, as the greens slump to 8% it will not impact, only one seat is to be voted on for them.
A compromise now, both sides visiting Malaysia together, would look statesman like.
Not some thing our current opposition does very often.

Belly, one has to ask, at what poimt do we declare war on these invaders, peaceful of otherwise?

Do we simply wait until our mining resources are depleted and our economy is in serious decline.

Do we wait until an unsustainable amount of our budget is consumed by this, if that's not already the case.

Perhaps it's time we made some tough descisions and stopped pussy footing around with this, cause let's face it, where will we be if we see another five years of the same.

Food for thought!

Sorry Belly, but take time to gather your thoughts before punching out a topic. I'm struggling to decipher what you're trying to say.

This racist 'boat people' topic is boring. The media BORE me too tears with the OBVIOUS racism about terrorist, criminals, and darkies, floating up on our shores threatening everything we are because, well, they might be muslim, or worse, not white. It's boring, transparent, ridiculous, and embarrassing.

Many more illegal immigrants arrive by plane. MANY ... more. MANY ... MANY ... more. We can't do anything about that because initially they arrive legally, but then overstay their holiday visa or claim asylum at the airport.

If you're going to attack illegal immigration, attack ALL OF IT. I've got no sympathy for illegal immigrants because I migrated legally. If I could do it, so can they.

If they want to "stop the boats" ... friggen stop them. Find out where they come from and send em back on a one-way ticket with a note telling them how to do it legally. Enough of the rubbish.

If Mr Pighead seen daylight and voted for Malaysia 12 months ago, who knows the problem may not be there now.
Time has moved on and the boaters have friends in the litigation, and hard done by law firms.
You can only fill an island once, then what more christmas island.

579, Mr Pig Headed, as you call him would not be so, had the wonderful Mr Rudd not opened the flood gates.

People just need to understand that if it's not broken, then dont fix it.

300 to tens of thousands in just a few years would suggest it wasn't broken in the first place.

Sure, the numbers of attemptees would have increased, but the mechanism was in place and could have simply been improved, not abolished as it was by the oh so clever one.

But seriously,I ask all here, at what point do we adopt the big stick approach.

Do we tolerate this invasion for another five years?

Do we start to slash more services and cut more funding for our own, just so we can continue throwing money a this problem, money we simply don't have?

I know it's a harsh stance to take, but, at what point do we take it, if ever?

As for Muslims,I would like you all to please remember one very important fact.

While not all Muslims are terrorists, most, if not all terrorists are Muslims.

So it stands to reason, that the more you let in, the greater the risk. Sorry, no racisim intended, but that's simply a fact.

What Oz needs now
Is spunk, strong spunk
It's the only thing
That there's just too little of

What Oz needs now
Is spunk, strong spunk
No not just for Ju-lia
But for every-one

Lord we don't need the Malay solution
There are boats and boats
Enough to fill it in a week or two
There are lawyers and activists
Enough to whine
Till the end of time

What Oz needs now
Is spunk, strong spunk
No not just for Ju-lia
But for every-one

SPQR,

I much prefer this song from the era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ki_osW5RsA

(..."Didn't you love the things that they stood for?...")

Compare Julie, Julia, Tony et al to Abraham, Martin and John.....there's no comparison.

Belly,
I do not agree. But I do think the illegals now think we are so weak that it will take stronger measures to stop them coming.

What we will need is simply not to give them what they want and they will stop coming.

No permanent residence, no family reunions, no appeals and no legal aid, no free handouts, no PCs and no phones. Then no documents no assesment.

We are simply too soft and these shonks are taking us for a ride.

Folks,
We must realise that getting upset over this sanctioned invasion
of our country, is exactly what the Globalists who are controlling our so-called elected politicians expect and relish, after all is said and done, what really can we do about it in the long run?

We can kid ourselves that we may be able to change things by voting to change governments, but inevitably the same old policies will prevail, only with slight modification. We have persued this form of objectivity as long as I can remember, and the only thing that can be guaranteed is that: we will pay more for everything, and sadly our human rights and our privacy will be removed totally and unequivocally. Even as we read, our messages to each other are being monitored by the Echelon System and our own beloved government of the day are installing their very own monotoring system to further errode our very privacy! Why you ask?.....because they, the masters, are terrified that the people may wake up to the monstrosity that they would have us believe is western DEMOCRACY!....Democracy is a dead dog waiting to be incinerated, and as surely as night becomes day, our civil rights will be totally incinerated by the actions of the Globalist controlled puppets, who pose as our elected representatives.

For anyone doubting the veracity of my statements, I would suggest they should have watched "Foreign Correspondent" last night which dealt with the coming invasion of the drones, involving nanotechnology, which will be capable of spying into your bedroom window, and in the appropriate situation "neutralizing" a "naughty"
citizen!

Sleep soundly, your ever-caring government is protecting you!

Gee I have unleashed a nightmare! or is it just reality?
Lets see, more boats than ever are coming, do we understand not all are Muslims?
Do not take that as a friendly to Muslim Migration statement, I disagree, totally and forever with any more Muslim migrants.
Task stop the boats.
And lets be honest, we are far from achieving that.
Forget who got what wrong, it was the ALP OK?
Manus and Nehru will be full the day they are fit to be occupied.
The word is out!
Get to Christmas Island or these two, and you will end up in AUSTRALIA.
About 2% if that, do not.
Now the committee set up to get this far warned Malaysia had to be part of the solution, and it has.
Send boat people there within hours of interception!
Now rechtub, I agree!
That will pain my caring friends but it is the way middle Australia is thinking.
I have had a gut-full, stolen school funds a city horrified by guns at any time of day.
Look at that 14 year old downs syndrome girl, see the slavery forced on women.
NO MORE!
This is single culture theirs not ours, seemingly an experiment in making the world one, one culture too?
Our politicians are betraying us all.

Belly,
Now you are confusing two different problems.

One is the illegal boat arrivals and the other is having a discriminatory immigration policy.

Ok I know we can stop the boats from coming if we are decisive enough and stop our softly, softly approach.

Implementing a immigration policy that is discriminatory may be far more difficult. Firstly it has to be on culture and not on race or nationality.

Luwig and I have advocated a reduction in immigration for years. If it were up to me, I would identify those groups that have shown they will not/cannot integrate into our society or hold us in contempt. Then I would stop further immigration of those groups.

Lets face it, if they do not want to be part of us, then they would be happier somewher else anyway. We may not be the perfect place for all peoples, even if we think so.

But I warn, be prepared for strong opersition from both the Greens and the business sector, and dont forget business pays hansomely to both major parties, to keep high immigration.

Banjo maybe I am not confusing the issue.
Mate what do you think is the reason, more likely reasons, so many want the boats stopped?
My list, we need no Migration that in effect makes fun of multi cultures, by building walls to keep us out.
Few of us think other than these folk, almost all of them, are not refugees, but economic refugees.
Remember what I said about compromise being the most likely out come?
You, Ludwig, and I are a minority, we will be proved right,but it may take 50 years.
My focus on Muslim migration is not a matter of shame, I point these facts of the lie, multi culturism out.
If we settled in Pakistan we would risk out lives talking about Christ, what creed thinks that, other than this one.
In any case we must stop the boats.
We too must pick who comes here.
And we should grieve for the dead at sea, but confront the fact the UNHCR is no friend of ours.
Get out of the UN or see boats stopped.
Malaysian solution, again, may well be the only open gate for both party's.
Less cruel surely than another hundred drownings maybe another ten hundred in time.

Belly,
I do see it as two seperate issues. The reason most want the boats stopped is because they are con artists and we are being taken for a ride. We do not abide cheats and gate crashers who simply impose themselves on us and it is costing us. i do not think the Sri Lankens are muslims but they are illegals.

In relation to immigration I would not ban all muslims and some i would ban may not be muslim. For example I loathe FGM and it is likely that some that practice it could be christians, but to my thinking all groups that practice FGM would be banned from coming here.

The leb muslims would be banned but non muslims lebs allowed. Croats and serbs would be banned because they fight each other over centuries old disputes and they still do even after 3 generations here.

if we can identify those groups that force the young to marry against their will they would be stopped.

How am I going sofar? whitling the numbers down a bit I hope.

Banjo how are you going?
Just like me! not much good!
See in a world not unlike 1930 we are on our own, stretching the boundary's of PC and niceness.
We must not be upset at others culture, it is no excuse that some send 13year old daughters HOME to avoid contamination by western ways.
To wed by force.
We have no right to be concerned at female genital mutilation, its their culture see.
Had I taken the track to leave my concerns I would join the huge crew who one day will see human rights MUST over ride primitive religion beliefs.
146 country's we are told, with deliberate intent to miss lead, are UNHCR linked and ready to take our boat people.
Write a list include every such country.
Very few are even near us MALAYSIA will work.
Sorry but an increase in refugees from these country's is part of the deal, lets pick them once here they stay good or bad.

take a look at a map of countries that signed the refugee convention here -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees
Now look how many countries these people coming here could go, that are much closer than Australia but don't instead they come thousands of miles - most are economic refugees or as I say welfare for lifers.

Belly - It will not work because Malaysia and Indonesia give them nothing not 1 cent, therefore they have to come here so the Australian taxpayers will support them. The only means of support they can get is to work illegally for FOOD & LODGING only no salary.
A lot that come the $5,000 to $9,000 passage is paid to the smugglers in Australia by relatives etc who are already here.
Read my post above about how many countries they could go to.

Philip you are missing the point. If these people are going to end up in Malaysia, they won't be getting the money for a boat ride will they. Think about it.

579 You are missing the point, once they get to Australia the taxpayer has to support them even if they are sent back to Malaysia. If they stay their they get NOTHING not 1 cent from Malaysia or Indonesia.

@ 579
<<Philip you are missing the point. If these people are going to end up in Malaysia, they won't be getting the money for a boat ride will they. Think about it>>

No, it’s you who misses the point 579 (actually you seem to make something of a habit of it!)

Captain Emad to name just one-- and there were 6-8 other people smuggler kingpins like him on the same boat, had according to Four Corners, at least three retail outlets in metropolitan Kuala Lumpur, and nice little cash cows I bet they were too.

Captain Emad et la already provides the transport, so why couldn’t/wouldn’t he move his business down the line a bit and also provide the finance, in the full and certain confidence that once his chargers get to OZ and avail of the free housing and welfare they would pay him back many times over,

And the other point you miss 579 is, that for every ONE we give Malaysia we will get back FOUR. And, eventually, that ONE we sent to Malaysia will in all likelihood come back to OZ too –and highly likely (the second time) on a Oz govt chartered 747.

From Oz’s angle, it’s –lose—lose—lose.

Phillip s I read every post so no need to ask.
I doubt you and I will agree on much.
While we both want the boats stopped, and yes both think our social services are a light to moths.
I think you failed to understand my view on Malaysia.
It remains my view after paying up to five or even ten thousand dollars, then being put on a boat and sent back to their starting point they will stop coming.
I know not all will agree, many will dislike me for it, but getting on a boat to come here.
In its self, should bar forever them getting to this country even as a visitor.

Your forward thinking is hypothetical. 4: 1 was for 800 only. The chances are the 800 would not be supplied in the first place.
Why spend the money for a boat ride to nowhere.
The whole idea is for these people to stand in line to be processed before being invited to AU.
So to save somebody money they might as well go to Malaysia in the first place, because that is where they are going to end up.

Belly quote "after paying up to five or even ten thousand dollars, then being put on a boat and sent back to their starting point they will stop coming."
Wrong because when they get sent back they will be supported by the Australian taxpayer until they get to come here, that is why they will not stop coming.

579 yes you seem to have a handle on the issue.
Clearly we send 800 get 4.000.
But ignore those who do not understand.
Those who do not know.
And those who will not admit it will work.
In negotiating ANY RESOLUTION with another country know both sides want an out come they can see benefit in.
Hence IF this gets a run Malaysia, understands the maths.
But of far more importance knows too, far less will, in time end up in its country.
If both country's act hard, it is possible to at worst, reduce the flow to a trickle.
OK not UNHCR wish,s, but am I wrong in saying far more want the boats stopped than not?
MULTI CULTURE IS a lie!
Be honest! we are excluded and constantly lampooned by our Muslim Migrants, no other Migration group ever did this.
Some arriving more than a decade ago, are still on Social Security.
While having a child for every year they have been here.
No more boats, openness on the real costs to Australia.
And firm, unbending and yes harsh, handling of arrivals.
While, within the above rules more direct picked refugees from these country's picked by us.

So much for Mr Abbott's nauru is ready to go at a moments notice.
Mr Turnbull is in the shadows, stalking. When abbott puts his foot in his mouth again Turnbull will pounce.-

579 I may have some info, both leaders, and they know it, are likely to be challenged very soon.
In time we will see this threads subject Malaysian solution put in place and supported by both sides.
Afraid too as an anti Australian culture grows within a section within a section of our migrant population.
It will bring very real requests we review our migration policy's.

The so called Malaysian solution is from the mathematical madhouse.
We send 800 and get back 4000 !
That fits the typical government knowledge of arithmetic and finance.
Got a debt problem ? Borrow more money !
Got a migration problem, get more migrants !

Has this government gone stark raving mad ?

OK, OK here is my solution;
1: Tell Indonesia, we have taken all that we can, no more.
2: Pull our vessels back to Christmas Island and Darwin.
3: Any that arrive, tell them we are full, go away !
4: Tell them, if they sink their boat or land they will be put on a
plane to wherever we think they come from.
5: If their country refuses them entry, leave them in transit lounge.

Frankly, I have had enough !

Bazz gday, change, any change must be acheivable.
I like you4r self want t5he boats stopped forever.
I just do not think they are other than transport for 3economic refugees.
But you ask for impossibles.
If you as I promise I will, for this discussion leave your biases in the bucket by the door we can look at this.
It is my honestly held view Abbott will use the Malaysian solution in office.
And that temporary protection visas will no longer work.
You are aware I do not hide Labors blame for the current problem.
However, truth not fallacy, Abbott,s plan to turn the boats around is going to break our relation ship with Indonesia.
These folk are not from that country, and in fact are far more a problem to them than us.
Malaysia too is not the home of these refugees, they travel in to that country thousands more than we see here.
A REGIONAL SOLUTION, is wanted by all, but stopped by Abbott.
All Asia Pacific country,s benefit by such a solution, less refugees.
Malaysia, offers these benefits Returning 800. taking 4.000 is not what you see it as.
Those 800 may be the first of 8.000 and we are taking our promise 2.000 now every year getting nothing in return
Continued.

The plan is based on this.
Having traveled from Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ceylon, to Malaysia then Indonesia, got on a boat and ended up back in Malaya.
Refugees, seeing 4.000 leave that country to come here may stop in fact surely will.
Bazz or any one find me an answer for Abbott,s plan unless it is political gain.
He is willing and on the record to send these non Indonesians back to that country.
Demands today they be sent straight to new Guinea.
What is so different about Malaysia? INDONESIA TOO IS NO A SIGNATORY to the UNHCR when will the man put AUSTRALIA in front of his personal ambition
My points
cash rewards of ten thousand dollars for giving up people smugglers double after conviction, watch police over seas snap that up.

I would ask posters who simply compare the numbers, 4.000 in exchange for 800 to truly look.
Indonesia and Malaysia are not the homes of almost any of these refugees.
So what is in it for them?
Like us, they hope a regional plan will steam the flow of refugees.
And in the case of Malaysia? refugees some of who have been there under far worse conditions than the proposed ones to be transfered from here, will be able to come here.
I would be pleased, and surprised if a well constructed, based on evidence not first thoughts rebuttal of my three posts can be put forward.
Remember, both sides of the house, not one, have dirt on their hands here.
History not far ahead will leave Many of us wondering how we got conned by some who take on tomorrow the very policy's, many of them, they fight against today.
With drawing my pledge of neutrality for this.
It has become, after much research, my opinion Tony Abbott is mentally unfit to lead his party, while my leader is too unfit, it is Abbott focus on power that just frightens me, his habit of telling lies, far more than Gillard ever did, in my view is terrifying!

Just want to go on record before it takes place.
The current part of the solution, will not work.
The determination to put last time solution this time failures to work, temporary protection visas will not work.
So?
Abbott in office will need to and use the Malaysian solution, as he will keep the carbon tax and? just maybe the mining tax.
Tony is a master at the use of terminological inexactitudes.

How much?
What is it costing us to fly boat people to these two new camps?
How much to house them, on Christmas Island or in Darwin?
What would be the costs if within days of arriving here they found them selves in Malaysia.
In the end are we paying for a ntruely held concern Abbott holds?
Even with boat turn a rounds?
and such.
Or is this country spending Billions it need not because Tony Abbott wants to lead us, no matter what?

But Belly, if we send 800 to Malaysia we have to accept 4000 back here !
Those 4000 will arrive from camps in Malaysia with a couple of
suitcases and a few dollars in their pocket.
Where will they go when they walk out the airport door ?

Surprise surprise, straight into housing commission accommodation ?
Where else, perhaps into government paid motels, hotels etc ?

I have not seen any information on what will happen when they get off the plane, have you ?

Banjo give me a break mate.
Yes you tell the truth.
BUT do you under stand the whole plan?
We want an end to the boats.
But too Indonesia and Malaya do too.
For housing our maybe three lots of people, Malaysia wants a return too.
Acting as a regional group they get it.
Who will get on a boat and risk being returned.
IS this closer to ending the trade?
If not what is.
Is it not true if the trade ends so too both country and us benefit?

Well 18 said no to Nehru and went home.
How many would say not Malaysia?
In fact Abbott.s bleating this day is typical.
And self harming,he knows he truly does Malaysia will stop the boats