I can't argue with that, sonofgloin.

Civilisation is more than cities and technology - it's a state of mind. One that seems to be slowly disintegrating in the American psyche.

*We have brutalized those susceptible ones in the X and Y generations with playstations and X boxes where the winner is the one who kills the most*

Sheesh, no wonder I am non violent by nature. I hate those cop
shows but thought that Alvin and the Chipmunks was hilarious :)

Arjay,
True Psychopaths don't usually make it very far in institutions such as government or major corporations, the image of Hitler promoted by your "conspiracy" milieu is completely wrong,do some reading, anyone who knew him described him as unfailingly polite, honest, kind, helpful and even self effacing. Messianic leaders like Hitler, Mao, Julius Caesar, Napoleon, Mohammed etc succeed because they are good with people, their subordinates trust and respect them and they are true leaders of men, petty martinets, bullies and cowards don't become cult figures.
Alex Jones and co are spreading disinformation, they're all pro gun right? Well the 1938 German gun laws were very liberal by today's standards, the reporting and licensing conditions were not onerous by any means, basically if there was no good reason for you not to be granted a permit, such as mental issues or a criminal record you could own a rifle or shotgun, pistols were restricted of course.
The Obama administration and it's fictional "Zionist" shadow government is nothing like the "Fascist" organisation, the conspiracy people make it out to be, they're the absolute opposite of what Fascism stood for.
This idea that gun control is a prelude to mass exterminations of defenceless people is just pure garbage, it's bad information peddled by snake oil merchants like Jones, Gordon Duff and the Truther/Patriot movement.

Doctor who is good too yabby.
We need to understand Civilization is not definates.
We make it work with compromise, in every thing.
Easy,But wrong, to claim every rule or law we do not like is a freedom lost.
Just can not put any support to sonofgloins views, but he should except the vast majority would not either.
Civilization is the ability for most, to live together.
Why should most suffer at the hands of the few?
Australians never ever would except, under any form of government, Americas gun laws.
While talking about freedom lost will we hear from those few, what are their thoughts on the thousands of innocent dead victims in America.
Did they live only to be murdered by some expressing a right to own guns?

Belly...Rechtub! Butcher are you aware of your increasingly bad habit?

Well actually Belly, No!

There was a time when I may have used personal insults, however, once brought to my attention, I changed, as I respect others rights.

Perhaps you should look in your own back yard, continually telling me that some here are I'll informed, which we are not.

As for me being mystified by some's continued support for labor, well, you tell me, how can anyone view this government as functional, do no wrong, worthy of another term.

Even as recently as yesterday, our PM has released yet another brain storm policy, WITHOUT DETAIL.

now if you wish to boycott my threads, be my guest, but seriously, I'm above that sought of childish behavior.

So hopefully you can rise above it, as I have nothing against you.

As for ones rights, our laws are generally introduced to control the 1% of rat bags, while the rest just have to accept the laws.

Americans are fanatics in many things they do and we will never be like them, so don't worry. Besides, the carrying of hand guns in public have always been banned here.

As for gun ownership here, it is not so much the gun control that bothers me, but it's the fact that your average Joe can't get a license without a strong reason.

But, the underlying stat is that there are more gun deaths here now, than there were pre gun laws.

So how have the laws helped, other than to protect crimes, as they know most residents don't own a gun, or, it is inaccessible in an emergency.

rehctub,
I totally do not like to say this but the only way we could possibly make the do-gooders see sense is if they were to be put in situations many of us have been exposed too. Have their property stolen in a break-in then when they get the Police & Magistrate involved they get told if you didn't have the rock in your garden bed the thieves couldn't have smashed your door. It really is their own fault.
They'd quickly change their mind about not being allowed to defend themselves. They'd be the first to pull the trigger if given a gun.