Could I invite those who are capable of reasonable discussion (sorry runner) to stroll on over to Graham's blog to examine the study touted by Jayb two posts ago.
http://www.ambitgambit.com/2012/07/12/more-accurate-dendrochronology-straightens-hockey-stick/

Tit for tat can be fun but I for one really don't learn much. These studies, for me at least, take a bit of getting my head around so I would find it helpful having a few extra heads there especially if they are taking a skeptical viewpoint.

If we park some of the hairy chest stuff at least for this exercise it may be productive.

Csteel, I had seen a report on this just recently and a comment by the
author was that it was not a contradiction of global warming.
I understand that it is a modification of the warming.
I don't remember where I read it.

There are a number of contradictions in this whole business.
One is that the world has been warming for the last 300 years because
of the end of the Maunder Minimum.
That puts the warming back past the start of coal mining.
Oh dear, and they wonder why there are skeptics.

csteele, I studied this stuff for a couple of years.

I had real trouble getting my head around the fact that the type of people I had trusted ever since my uni days were actually lying to me. It was only after I refreshed my math, so I could actually understand enough, that I admitted to myself it was happening

When I first reached the conclusion that they were wrong, I assumed that they had misread the evidence, or were not up with the latest information.

Then as the evidence continued to mount, & every bit of new pronouncement by the AGW brigade was refuted even more quickly, I started to admit that these people were pushing a barrow, a barrow full of BS.

Some I'm sure had a quid involved, or the vice chancellor had given them the word that the institutions now depended on the AGW dollar from governments. Some probably were just too vain to admit their gullibility.

Yes I'm angry about it. I have been conned, & don't like it. Even more, I don't like that I fell for it for so long. Why I did not apply the lesson from the Y2K fiasco, I can't imagine, but it won't happen again.

Go read from some of the sites you don't like, for a while. I like Tallbloke's Talkshop. The math gives me a headache sometimes, but it really gets to the guts of things. There are many others, a lot of them with full detail of many new papers, but some, like the warmers, do require faith.

Faith has nothing whatever to do with it.
10 of the last 11 years have globally been the hottest on record, since records have been kept - ever.
No faith needed there.
Just common sense and no psychological need to satisfy.
Everybody in the world, including NASA, CSIRO, all the world's best universities, are lying except the two or three 'geniuses' on this site who can see through their nefarious schemes.
Oh, gimme a break.
Talk about delusions of adequacy.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Hasbeen said;
apply the lesson from the Y2K fiasco,

The Y2K fiasco was real. It really was a major problem.
The only reason that you saw no problems was because 100Ks of
programmers worked overtime for months modifying and testing programs.

I know that I had to fix a couple of my own minor programs.
In a couple of cases that I am aware of people would not have been
paid their wages if it had not been fixed.

Anty that's only if you use the figres that have beem hamonogised tortured, corrected & otherwise falsified by those with the most to gain by the scam.

If you have to "hide the decline" you're lying. There is no other way to say it. Freedome of information does not worry honest men, only those with something to hide.