Amen! Now let's all say the dead lord's prayer and then go out and find some children to lock up.

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Abbott should just come out with a mentally shattered child upended from his left hand and say:

" ... See, this is what we will do to if you if come here by boat. ... "

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*Paul* I think you would do well to remember that here are churches that include amongst their sacraments marriage for gay people. Of course, the pre-requisite for their marriage ceremonies is love, not opposite genitalia.

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On the other hand, you have *Josphus & Runner* who I suspect come from those organisations who are heavily implicated in the abuse of children, the theft of babies, the destruction of Original Australian families, pedophilia and worst of all, the protection and cover up for those who committed the crimes.

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Now, seriously, there's really no debate worth having with the likes of these is there, surely?

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To be honest, I would reserve a place hanging from the old tree out the front of the Supreme court for the scum in the political churches and whilst some of you may find that a bit extreme, I say better that than allow bent priests to go about covering up for their mates and transferring pedophiles from one parish to another to commit their a la Exorcist crimes against minors.

I would include in that crimes against the young and vulnerable who are blossoming into gay sexuality.

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As the considerable array of crimes by say the catholic church is clearly institutional with the perversion going all the way to the top - and ex Hitler youth ratsinger is now an international criminal fugitive - I would blacklist them as an organisation, seize their assets, lock up their guilty with *Lurch the Hairy* and divvy up their possessions amongst their victims and the smaller and diverse group of quality other charitable and religious organisations in an as equitable way as we can come up with.

DreamOn said:
"As the considerable array of crimes by say the catholic church is clearly institutional with the perversion going all the way to the top - and ex Hitler youth ratsinger is now an international criminal fugitive - I would blacklist them as an organisation, seize their assets, lock up their guilty with *Lurch the Hairy* and divvy up their possessions amongst their victims and the smaller and diverse group of quality other charitable and religious organisations in an as equitable way as we can come up with."

DreamOn, If you check any of my posts re: catholic church on this forum you will find I have no love for this organisation. I agree with your above post. Ratsinger ex Hitler Your, they know how to pick em'

DreamOn

I forgot to say Ratzinger was also the head of the Inquisition in Rome in 1981. Hitler Youth, German solider guarding work slaves at BMW factory, Nazi prisoner of war 1945, Inquisition no wonder the bloke got the job!

How did a thread on same sex marriage suddenly
turn into an attack on the Catholic Church and
the Pope?

No one can deny that the sexual abuse of children
is horrendous and intolerable and that the failure
of the Church to deal with it effectively has done
immeasurable damage to the victims. The cover-ups,
the protection of abusive clergy, and the refusal
to admit egregious mistakes are unjustifiable and
we have not yet even begun to calculate the damage
these crimes have done to people's trust and to
the reputation of the Church.

However I don't
understand what all this has to do with same-sex marriage?

Homosexuality in any society in history has never been considered a lifelong marriage agreement. They have been casual encounters and with diverse partners, similar with prostitutes. There is no public declaration when a man seeks a prostitute, or engages a homosexual.

All the Christian ceremonies and symbols of signing a contract have depicted a marriage of a man to a woman (wombman. The exchange of rings depicting the agreement to engage in sexual intercourse, the throwing of seeds or rice or flowers to symbolise fertility. The wearing of white to indicate virgin purity. The giving of the bride by the father to indicate the father agrees to his daughter as a bride in the relationship with the husband.

The marriage contract (State registered agreement) is not the marriage, it is merely the written agreement of the reality of marriage, the rights and responsibility for life to each other is the reality of the marriage.

The definition of marriage is the lifelong sexual union of mam and his wife, which brings together all chromosomes of a human species - which in 5,000 year old tradition is known as the "two shall be one flesh"

The definition of marriage is the lifelong sexual union of man and his wife, which brings together all chromosomes of a human species - which in 5,000 year old tradition is known as the "two shall be one flesh"