david f,
I see natural science as my authority for the only purpose of marriage and registration by the State for responsibility and for family involved. As children automatically become citizens of the State.
You guys are inconsistent in your argument as you claim some Christian and Jewish churches accept gay marriage.

"Several states in the United States, several countries and several Jewish and Christian sects have defined marriage as a commitment between two people regardless of sex. Posted by david f, Saturday, 23 June 2012 10:05:03 AM"

Yet Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 23 June 2012 5:26:21 PM

"Homosexual couples are not asking churches to marry them in the 'eyes of the church' they are simply asking for the same consideration that other Australians receive under the law, the legal recognition of their marriage. Simply apply the same rules to all regardless of gender."

Does natural science discrimonate against men not having a womb or women not having a penis. The Church is the only honest opinion when it comes to natural science.

The sole role of the Gay atheistic lobby is to enforce by law their opinion on natural science and the Muslim, Jewish and Christian Church. To outlaw the common and historical view of marriage as illegal.

No, Josephus I am not in favor of your priests being allowed to marry alter boys. I know there are certain members of the clergy who support pedophilia as demonstrated by the numbers who have been exposed already, and continue to be exposed. I know it would save the catholic church in particular millions of dollars in compensation it has tried to avoid paying to victims if pedophilia was legalised. I am sure you most likely can quote a passage from your bible which says it all okay, but I still oppose priests marrying alter boys.
I don't believe there is a ground swell of opinion supporting or demanding siblings marry each other. You have posted what is called a 'red herring' my friend. Do you think I'm as dopy as some, damned if you say yes, damned if you say no.
"A red herring is a post which is intended to be misleading, or distracting from the actual issue."

Josephus, Both David any I are correct. There is no conflict, David was referring rightly to "Several states in the United States, several countries and several Jewish and Christian sects." Where as I was referring to the situation within Australia "Homosexual couples are not asking churches to marry them in the 'eyes of the church'." I do not believe the mainstream churches ie. Catholic, Anglican etc support gay marriage. It would be a simple matter for gay religious people to set up their own church if they so desired, or does the existing groups have a monopoly on churches.

The sole role of the Gay atheistic lobby is to enforce by law their perverse opinion. This law would be enforced to accept homosexuals as being married on natural science and Muslim, Jewish and Christian Churches. It would outlaw the common and historical view of marriage as illegal. This would allow them to sue those that deny them marriage rights.

You say It (legalise gay marriage) would outlaw the common and historical view of marriage as illegal (same sex marriage). This would allow them to sue those that deny them marriage rights.

Josephus In Australia churches marry no one. Only the state marries people. Some old priest can mutter all the words he likes, but until a marriage certificate is issued no one is legally married. Are gays banging on your church door demanding to be 'married' by your functionary inside?
For me its purely a secular matter nothing to do with religion. A section of the community who are presently being discriminated against are seeking equality with the rest of society under the law.

One of the values that is important in modern
Australia is - freedom of religion and secular
government. All Australians are free to follow
any religion they choose, so long as its practice
does not break any Australian law. Australians are
also free not to follow a religion. Australia has
secular government and no official or state relgion.

Our government is obligated to treat all of its
citizens as equals (regardless of their religion
or lack of it) and religious laws have no legal
status in Australia.

The divorce laws for example are those laws eneacted
by the parliament. The process of divorce and related
matters, such as marriage, custody of children and
the settlement of property arrangements can only be
done in accordance with the laws passed by the
Australian parliament. All Australian are entitled
to the protection and equal treatment under these
laws. At present same-sex couples do not receive
these entitlements when it comes to the right to
marry. They are simply requesting that this matter
is corrected. They are forced to vote, to pay taxes,
to obey the laws - but they are not allowed to marry.
Making them second-class citizens. That is unjust
and should be corrected in a secular country such as
ours. A conscience vote in Parliament should be allowed.