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Gay Marriage The Debate Goes On.

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Dear Shadow Minister,

I'm surprised you admitted to finding any broken
promises of Tony Abbott's. But keep trying - there
are more listed although the Medicare Safety Net is
an excellent example and you did specify for an
example for which Mr Abbott was responsible - you did not
specific any time frame Sir, and Mr Abbott as Health
Minister declared quite firmly that it was
"an absolutely rock solid, ironclad commitment."

Of course when he reneged on it, his predictable
explanation was, "When I made that statement on the
election campaign I had not the slightest inkling that
there would ever be any intention to change this,
but obviously when circumstances change, governments
do change their opinions."

Great similarity here with the PM's response concerning
the carbon tax - when she said: "I meant those words when
I said them in the election campaign."

And then like Mr Abbott, she also explained:

"I found changed circumstances. I made a choice and
I'm happy to stand by it."

But, according to Mr Abbott he didn't lie or break an
election promise - circumstances changed for him.
Whereas the PM broke an election promise - changing
circumstances don't apply to her.

Right?

Give us a break old chap - and stop with all this
nonsense.

What I would like to see is the media picking
up both Labor and the Coalition's policy
platforms (oh wait the Coalition doesn't have
any - yet) and let voters decide which
offers Australia the brightest future.

The policy debate needs to move to the front pages
and if, as Abbott's supporters argue, the Coalition
does have robust policies (which we've yet to see)
to answer Labor's - that's what the people should
ultimately decide for themselves. Arguing that the
Coalition doesn't want Labor stealing their policies -
is simply a cop-out. And an excuse for in-action -
not good enough and certainly not a reason for having
anyone vote for them.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 4:45:43 PM
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cont'd ...

Shadow Minister you know darn well that the only
reason that Mr Abbott will not allow a conscience
vote on same-sex marriage to his MPs has nothing
to do with keeping any sort of promise. The man
would change his mind at the drop of a hat if it
meant that by allowing the vote - he could become
PM. I find it amusing that the Liberal Party
continually proclaims that it allows and tolerates
a diverse range of opinions within the ranks.
Yet when they have a chance to prove it - they
renege on it. How can anyone believe anything they
say. Do whatever it takes to win - seems to be their
ethos. Democracy be damned.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 5:04:09 PM
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Bugger a conscience vote by politicians who don't give a toss what the public think. A matter like this should go to a referendum, just as the carbon tax should have. I am sick of people thinking that any government acts in the best interests of the people. Both sides and the greens and independants are self-serving, greedy and corrupt. We get a vote once every few years and it is simply not enough.

Please everyone, if I wanted to listen to endless "he did / she did" debates, where nothing is resolved, I'd watch Question Time.
Disappointing. Really.
Posted by scribbler, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 5:26:31 PM
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Lexi,

"The man would change his mind at the drop of a hat if it meant that by allowing the vote - he could become PM." (Like Gillard).

Nope, he does not suffer from labor values

Juliar had the sole responsibility for her lie, whereas Abbott did not. The changing circumstances were entirely political and the decision was made entirely to grasp power at the expense of the electorate.

P.S. please show me where Abbott did not keep other election promises. I don't believe you.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 6:21:06 PM
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Dear SM,

So you think that the PM has the sole responsibility
for her "lie?" Really? And having to deal with
a minority government and make compromises and
negotiations has no bearing on the case. Oh dear.

Of course at the same time you think that Mr Abbott -
is not in charge of any decisions made.
In his case "circumstances changed,"
whereas the PM's circumstances remained the
same? I see.

And you don't believe that Mr Abbott's telling the
truth and keeping promises is a bit shonky and you
want me to give you another example apart from
the Medicare Safety Net - because you're unable
to find any further examples of broken promises.
OK. How about this link from Andrew Bolt:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/don't-slug-business-for-maternity-leave-blueprint/story-e6frfhgf-1225838882213

Here's another question for you - Mr Abbott keeps telling
us that he will repel the Gillard government's carbon
pricing legislation (a pledge in blood) if he becomes PM.
However as Laurie Oakes points out Mr Abbott "wopuld roll
back something as big and complex as the carbon price
scheme - it is an easy promise to make but hugely
difficult to keep without a great upheaval."

What will be the result do you think if Mr Abbott can't
keep this promise. If he's elected and he can't deliver -
will he put his money where his mouth is - and will he
call another election?
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 8:20:06 PM
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I thought you couldn't come up with another example.

Gillard had the choice of keeping her promise or negotiating a different deal. She chose to lie.

Abbott made a promise, Someone else made the decision for him, he had no choice.

Juliar also lied about the East Timor solution amongst many other lies.

Rolling back the carbon tax lie might take a year, and will require scrapping the greens costly pet projects.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 8:39:12 PM
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