Juliar is an epithet that Gillard has worked hard to earn, and given the lack of respect and vitriol with which you refer to Abbott, I am disinclined to accede to your request. Whether you respond or not is entirely your decision.

Posted by david f

" ... I find the above language objectionable. Josephus and runner have different opinions from me. However, that does not make them less human or less entitled to be addressed with courtesy. ... "

I disagree *David F* as regardless of their opinions, the result of their activities is to relegate gay people to less, other and verily second class citizens.

Worse still, the perhaps immeasurable damage that they do to the vulnerable which leads to misery, despair and even suicide.

Now, you may be so weak, in my view, as to believe that these sorts of individuals are worthy to be spoken to courteously, but I do not. Contempt, is the least that they deserve.

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*Lexi* secular governments do not say their pitiful little prayers before parliament or erect pathetic unrepresentative relgious symbols of bigotry and homphobia.

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As for Juliar and Tony, clearly to me they are child abusers, as are their forebears, and whilst the likes of *David F* want to go about speaking nicely to everyone, their fiendish deeds go unchecked. Even now they still have Indonesian minors and others in detention whilst their wig parasites sit about on obscene incomes fiddling with their pencils.

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As for *Runner,* it appears plain that he considers that gay people having children constitutes a form of child abuse also, and I put it that he or she is simply not worth listening to. Attitudes like theirs led to the holocaust against gays, gypsies, the mentally ill and others, and also to the ongoing abuse of the Original Australians in the aftermath of world war 2.

Not to mention the theft of babies from unwed mothers, the nuking of vets and original australians by the genocidal pom and their allies, the pedophilia of the church of the rock spider and their cover ups and the list goes on.

And all the while, some of you deluded folk go about wanting to insist that what is important is that we speak nicely to one another, in the absence of those responsible being held to account.

Dear DreamOn,

I agree that the treatment of gay people as less than human has led to misery, despair and even suicide.

However, I don’t see how calling Josephus and runner names helps gay people in the least. You characterised me as weak in believing that people whose opinions I disapprove us are worthy to be spoken to courteously. I see no point in calling runner and Josephus names. What do you achieve by that?

Josephus and runner seem to regard gay people with great prejudice. Should I regard Josephus and runner with the same distaste that they seem to regard gay people? Should I put myself on their level?

It seems they are adherents of a primitive judgmental religion which has done great harm in justifying prejudice and in murdering people who disagree with them. However, even in that religion one can find bits of wisdom. One bit of wisdom is that one should hate the sin but love the sinner.

Although I find it difficult to love Josephus and runner I can hate the sin called Christianity but be courteous to Josephus and runner.

Dear Poirot,

See you on another thread my dear.

The reason dear *David F* is so that they and their like may know in no uncertain terms that their behavior is completely unacceptable.

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I have no problem with them having a particular faith. If they wish to be an adherent of a religion that does not condone gay relationships then that's fine.

But when they seek to demonise others, even by demonising what they consider to be a sin ( "to miss the point" from the Greek may be a better translation,) leading to practices of forced conversion of minors, forced psychiatry, ostrasisation, so called "poofter bashing," being registered like dogs (in the words of a High Court judge,) etc and clearly in my mind they need to be stopped, with force if need be.

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Initially, I was not discourteous to these people, and gave them the benefit of the doubt, but when they persist ..

It is though honest of me, as *Runner & Josephus* are very unlikely to have any illusions about my thoughts about them.

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One other thing. They represent a "theocratic" force with wave after wave of them turning up here to trot out their organisations hateful bigotry. And whilst I have not seen them state it clearly, it seems plain that they are quite comfortable with bending and perverting the democratic process such that it conforms with their theocratic ideals.

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Much as dear *Boazy* made attempts to "convert" you, so would these people impose their concepts upon you whether you like it or not.

The reason I was not overly offended by *Boazy* though was because he was quite up front about this, however, these others are significantly more insidious.

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I suspect that during the time of the theft of children and the destruction of Original Australian families, that those more concerned with their own skins than that of others also practiced "speaking politely" to and about some of the foulest and most loathsome of historical figures.

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Hitler and the catholic church is another classic example.

david f,
You are a worthy of thanks. Dream on condemns himself with his own emotive bigotry. I don't need to defend myself as those who know me know my character.

I will always defend a biological principle i.e. the womb was designed for childbearing and is only fertilized by impregnating by male sperm. The marriage contract was introduced to defend the security of the family. There is no offspring from same sex relationship. I have several friends who are infant teachers who have children in their classes who have no father or two mothers and they struggle to have normal relationships with men.