The pubs and clubs will love you Paul.

Keep the waste gravy train coming, they say.

Paul "I worked for what I get, its all mine." more to the point there are those who say "You worked for it but it's mine to take and use for my priorities"

Those ones who are always keen to make other pay for what they think is of benefit seem to have an insatiable thirst.

I wonder how many of them send some extra to the tax department even when they don't have enough left to cover what's important in their own life? Not to a preferred charity where they can be sure their money is used on what's also important but to the tax department where they want my pay taken. My guess would be very few.

R0bert

Paul, sorry but it is such as you from our side and Rechtub, from so far right he can not be seen.
Who ALWAYS stand in front of reform.
No doubt you are aware Socialism NEVER worked.
Far too many would not make an effort.
It became failure lead by failure.
Yet still, it had dreams we all should admire.
It wanted to feed the hungry.
I think, true, we now are bound and can not act, by folk like you two.
That welfare fraud, is theft, from the true poor from taxpayers.
Some sit at home with higher income than others get for working.
Our economy, the whole world economy, is when you look at it, no different than the weekly budget the wisest of us set out each week.
Paul 1405! if only! if we could kill the fraud, get some returns in the form of truly paid and earned work.
Just maybe we could spend part of our savings helping those in true need.

Belly, we are talking about 2 different aspects of welfare. The first one, my understanding of social security fraud, an example would be, a person working at a full time job, for cash in hand, and at the same time collecting a pension. This is fraud and such people are robbing not only the tax payer but also robbing genuine people who deserve social welfare. These fraudulent people should be caught and prosecuted.
The other type of person, who some see as being fraudulent, would be for example, a single mother, on benefit, uses the money not to look after her kids so much, but on grog, fags, drugs etc. This example is not fraud as such, but rather an undesirable use of taxpayers money. You don't achieve very much with these people with a simplistic 'big stick' approach, it has been tried and failed over and over again.
Social welfare goes hand in hand with education, work sills, health services, housing, etc. People on welfare with issues are in that situation because they are not educated, they don't have the life skills necessary to cope with our society, they have little self worth. These people are very much victims of society and not criminals as some would have it. Through education and opportunity I believe we can break the cycle of welfare dependence.
I must add the vast majority of social welfare recipients do the right thing, they are not thieves or social misfits and do not deserve to be attacked the way they often are by those with an axe to grind and a separate agenda.

You 'do gooders' have to understand one thing, welfare is a 'gift' it's not a given right and, those who give, the tax payer have the right to know it is not being wasted. Paul gives a fine examp,e of a single mother wastingnher kids welfare.

A simple debit card arrangement will stop this waste in it's tracks.

What is your problem!

Thank you Paul, you have taught me something.

It had never before even occurred to me that there were people in the world who could see some useless bludging single mother as a "victim of society". I would have thought society was the victim of such people, & people like you who want us to give our hard earned income to them.

I think it's about time that after 6 months support, all such people be assigned top a work gang, cleaning up national p[arks, starting in the far north. Living in a tent city in the bush, with no access to their vices for a few months at a time, with real food, from a bulk kitchen, may just clean them up.

This would save the rent assistance, & their kids would eat better.