Belly, Belly, Belly,
You are letting your heart rule your head. It is not just the leadership that is ruining Labor, it is the whole government. Everything introduced has been a stuff up, illconceived and badly managed. Even your mate Shorten has badly gaffed recently, trying to tell us that the miners tax would improve our super. Then made a Billy goat of himself critisising Abbott about when the Reserve meets.

Labor began with a $90 billion bank and now have a $166 billion debt, after spending all the tax revenue as well. The NBN has blown out dramaticly and it is not over yet. More stuff up and blowouts?

They have done it to themselves alone through sheer incompedence, don't blame the media. One thing I thought I could give them credit for was to help the incapacitated, but they put that off for years because of lack of funds. Suddenly they can find $7 billion to give to the IMF to help back up European countries. Aussies are forgotten but they look good internationally. There is no infastructure to show, they have spent like drunken sailors on leave.

The wheels have fallen off the global warming wagon and the carbon tax is simply to get more revenue from us. A lot of that is to go to the UN as well.

Don't blame Abbott or the media, look to their own shortcomings. It is not often I agree with runner. 579 needs to remove his rose coloured glasses and face reality.

Lib policies? Promised to get rid of carbon tax and stop the boats. That is a good start and they have a reputation for good fiscal management. Cannot go past that.

Dear Belly,

It's all a matter of judgement, as I said
on another thread.

You might look at opinion polls, and newspapers, and
make the predictable judgement - that the Government
is "in crisis."

OR -

You might look at the many laws the Government has passed
and the policies it has enacted and conclude that it
appears to be executing its stated agenda with
impressive follow through.

I watched Tony Abbott making his speech to the Victorian
Liberals and was horrified that he held Jeff Kennett up
as a good example of a State Premier. Kennett was a
disaster for Victoria. He demolished our infrastructure -
our hospitals, rails, ports and everything else that
he could cut.

Mr Abbott stressed the fact that when the
Coalition gets into power - they will make cuts in
spending - which of course means cuts in our assets -
our standard of living. These public goods are important
for our economic prosperity.

As one financial expert pointed out:-

"A right leaning government with a sense of economic
responsibility would have a policy sustaining low taxes,
but cutting into welfare, preserving public revenue for
public goods. A left leaning government would allow taxes
to rise to sustain welfare, without compromising on public
goods."

Financial experts confirm that - " Mr Abbott has made
it clear that he would cut taxes, even the carbon tax, and
that he would re-instate middle-class welfare. That can only
mean deep cuts in public goods - including education,
infrastructure and environmental protection
all of which are necessary to sustain our living standards and
to build our economic strength for the days when the
commodity boom ends."

"It's a complete reversal of earlier Liberal Party policy,
which in accordance with its emphasis on self-reliance, was
tight on welfare, but generous on building the nation's
physical and human capital."

Doesn't Mr Abbott and his advisers understand that a welfare
system needs a productive base, and that public assets are
an essential part of that productive base?

Our leaders resemble two school yard combatants more than politicians.
Belly,
Your mob does, not mine. No matter how hard you lot are trying in your desperation to ruin Abbott's image it won't help. You see Labor has mismanaged so badly that even many lefties are running scared of more of the same incompetence. Idealism is ok whilst a Coalition Government puts money in the coffers but now that your outfit has squandered it all & put us into severe debt, people are voting with their back pocket. That's the reality of things.

Keating said in late 2009:

Mr Keating accused Mr Costello of presiding over the growth of Australian debt abroad from $129 billion in 1996, to $705 billion in 2007.
''The Future Fund is all about national savings, yet, during Costello's period as treasurer, national savings were so depleted,'' he said.
''Costello was a policy bum of the first order who squandered 11 years of economic opportunity.''

There is currently 98 billion $ in the futures fund.

ok get the politics out of the way.
Lady's and gentlemen.
The thread is about a link, pointing out the obvious, we are badly lead by both leaders.
How ever, see the refusal to follow that threads directions by? everyone.
Lexi, my Friend, know, it is quite impossible, without leader ship change, or a complete gut busting unmasking of Abbott for Labor to win/not suffer a landslide.
I have seen this before, even the false hope people care about policy's more than following headlines
Banjo, think, did I try to defend ALP? it will be Banjos by the thousands Lexi, who bury us, did so for 23 years. with our help.
So dare I say even the blind I do not like Belly Greens,plan to benefit from Labors implosion, seemingly planned implosion.
Butt his is true, Greens NEVER EVER will get a vote equal to Labors ever.
That dream is only a dream.
They by splitting non Liberal vote,serve only the CONSERVATIVES.
Abbott, as the link, not Belly! says is managing to stay unquestioned, and build mountains out of single grains of sand.
Lexi 597 know Liberals are behind the charges[probably well founded in part] on Slipper.
Yet such is the focus on Labor, bought and paid for media slants,it will never be uncovered.
ABC is as bad in my view as almost any.
So get in to each other abuse me.
But if you see the link is any one going to comment about that and thanks for the hugely funny thought Abbott will rule for ten years, he is still nothing more than the mad monk in sheep's clothing fitted by media and rich power brokers.
Back to intended debate, Australia you can do better than these two leaders!