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Who can change the Law ?
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Posted by individual, Thursday, 17 November 2011 7:42:33 PM
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Individual can I request you look at your last two posts.
I am a campaigner, and would assist in a second if I thought it was any use. Banjo is quite right, some laws need addressing. And some should be retracted, the truth, some parents act cruelly in punishing children, and continue no matter what law is in place. Should never have seen every one stopped from loving a child enough to slap if and when needed. I take issue, and distance myself, from your theme, you question , yet again. The DECENCY? of those who do not share your view. I discount that statement, because it shouts at me. That maybe you do not know any better. First of those two posts, seems lost and not sure you truly find it in any way assists in putting your point across. I do, strongly, think we should toughen up our Courts, stop the idea juveniles have three crimes before they no longer walk out of court. But see no epidemic of youth crimes. Posted by Belly, Friday, 18 November 2011 4:42:49 AM
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This is a true story.
In a small country town, a 10-12 year old boy joyrides on a bicycle that isn't his, brings it home. Father makes son take bicycle back to where he found it. Then, to discourage such behaviour, father takes son to local police-station and asks cop to lecture kid, show him lock-up. Instead, cop arrests kid, he ends up in reform school, has minimal contact with his family. Released at age 16, he has no social skills, fights his sister's boyfriend (motive: protect sister), kills him (ie 'reform' school has taught him violence as a solution). Now in jail, he goes crazy, kills himself. Two young people unnecessarily dead and a family traumatised. No doubt the policeman thought he was knocking juvenile crime on the head. PS The family is Aboriginal. Posted by Cossomby, Friday, 18 November 2011 9:17:47 AM
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Hello Individual,
A couple of points: First, I wonder about your use of the term 'Do Gooders". I'm going to assume here that you are using the term in its usual sense, i.e. as a perjorative term. Further, if you do intend it as a perjorative term then I'm guessing that you do not consider yourself as a 'do gooder'. Which leads me to wonder if you consider yourself a 'Do badder'. Just sayin'... Second point. The way our society works is quite well understood. Our Parliaments make laws and the various judiciaries, federal and state, exercise them. I'm a little surprised that your high court judge didn't know that. Now, as to how to change laws, there are a number of ways. One is to gather a group of like minded citizens and campaign your local MP. Another is to gather signatures on a petition and mail it to the appropriate member of Parliament, premier or prime minister. The organisation Getup has been quite successful in using this method. You could start your own political party as Bob Katter has done, although this does tend to be the long way around. A final point is your assertion that kids are literally getting away with murder. Really? Do you have any evidence? As the late Carl Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and your assertion is, to say the least, extraordinary. One final point you might like to consider is that, as we live in a democracy, unless you can bring enough folk around to your point of view, then you may struggle to get laws changed. But it can be done. Always assuming, that is, that it should be done. Cheers, Anthony http://www.observationpoint.com.au Posted by Anthonyve, Friday, 18 November 2011 10:08:08 AM
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You can change the law.
Politicians make law but they are supposed to work for you. Many of the laws that rule us were proposed by the public, even some of the one that need tweaking or removing in the 21st century. YOU have to decide how much YOU want the law changed and what YOU are willing to sacrifice to get the job done. I've spent 3 1/2 years ( changefpa.com.au ) and the cracks are just starting to appear. I may see movement in 5 years. Democracy is hard work. Posted by Troposa, Friday, 18 November 2011 3:01:04 PM
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Another is to gather signatures on a petition
Antonyve, That is exactly how particularly ALP pollies try to pull the wool over their constituents' eyes. By Aust Constitutional Law that kind of petition can & does not have to be taken notice of. There is only one way of presenting a petition such as I outlined previously. A do-gooder is your a-typical academic background people who are against the even slightest discipline and they themselves contribute nothing to the bettering of society. They're always the first to condemn someone who attempts to prevent rather than wait for others to cure anything to do with the result of lack of discipline or punishment. And yes, juveniles do get away with murder, just watch the news occasionally. Everyone's always on about rehabilitation of perpetrators but what some rehabilitation for victims for a change ? Posted by individual, Friday, 18 November 2011 6:33:24 PM
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Lexi,
Both Police & Magistrates have told me that the Law Reform Commission simply takes too long. The most direct route is to the Government by way of petition. If I could get two people to support me we could get it brought up in Parliament in the next sitting. Who has the decency to put their name, Tel Nr & address onto a petition ? As I said it only takes three people. I would like some of you to download a form for a petition to her Excellency the Governor General & see for yourself how simple it actually can be to change things.