The premise of your argument false Rehctub. There has been greater world agreement about action regarding climate change since Copenhagen. China for example is now leading the world in renewables and already, population control. Renewable energy since Copenhagen.

Tony Abbott's team as you call it didn't really change their mind with the world, the world changed their mind about Australia's maturity on the world stage and probably consider us a bunch of flat earthers if local opinion polls are being taken into account internationally.

Ironically and at the same time, Kevin Rudd himself has done lots to restore our International relevance, working independently of US approval for our current Foreign Policy positions, presumably with the direction and approval of the PM and Cabinet.

Another tick for the Gillard Govt in my book in year of results despite an avalanche of negative rhetoric and politic. A bit like the climate change debate in Australia, were still debating the skeptics, in the face of international consensus about the need for action. This a far more accurate picture Rehctub.

The only 2 important countries not co-operating on climate change left, are Australia and the US, and the Gillard Govt is about to change that . It's about time.

Well, the world didn't change it's mind on carbon pricing at Copenhagen. That is just a misleading statement. A stall in a global agreement hasn't seen the rest of the world backflipping on policy. The EU, China, NZ, Japan, India, are all "moving forward". I guess that is what Gillard promised as well!

And that's right hasbeen, there's a global conspiracy involving all of the world's scientific organizations. They're all in on it, From NASA to the CSIRO. Every university has jumped on board too. After all, it worked with the moon landing hoax so they thought they'd scam us all again.

You know Thinker, fooling others can sometimes be profitable, but fooling yourself,---never!

"The EU, China, NZ, Japan, India, are all "moving forward". I guess that is what Gillard promised as well"

The EU is static, the US, Canada, China, India and the rest of the world are doing just about nothing, and Juliar promised no carbon tax.

After Kyoto, Copenhagen was expected to produce a global agreement of sorts to supersede Kyoto. Nothing was achieved at all, and when the Kyoto protocol expires in 2012, there will be no international agreement whatsoever. Copenhagen was in effect a giant step backwards.

I know most of you don't run a business, so you don't understand the fundamentals.

You are simply the wheels of a bus, you hop on in the morning and hop off at night and forget about the bus until the next day.

Running the country will require growing the economy to sustain the population growth and, unless you are blind, you will realize that it will be impossible to meet that demand, plus the global demands we rely on, while cutting emissions.

In fact, the only way we can cut emissions will be via cleaner energy and the Tech is simply not there and won't be in the coming years, at least from an affordable, proven source.

The other huge problem we face is becoming anti competitive.

This will happen as one, as jobs start to fade, or at least hours, unions will call for pay rises and two, other countries will have the no tax advantage.

This is a global issue and we must not tackle it alone or it will cost us dearly.

Why else do you think the rest of the world went cold!

Hi rehctub,
It seems to me that one of the thinking patterns i see quite a bit among climate action opposers is that somehow you all have access to knowledge and thinking ability that the rest of us don't.
Example is your assertion that we don't run businesses and so don'tunderstand the fundamentals.
I would, only by way of corrective response, point out that before I retired to write full time, i was MD of Fasco Motors Thailand, annual revenues $A75M, employees 370
Before that GM of Fasco Australia, annual revenues $45M, employees 260+-.
I have been a GM of substantial manufacturing businesses in China, Hong Kong, Thailand and Australia.
I was. Global executive with ABB for ten years, before that 20 years in the military serving in Australia and in SE Asia. In the course of my professional career i have visited 32 countries.
So please do not assume that Because I, and others, disagree with you, we lack some knowledge that you have.
With the above experience and after a quite detailed analysis of data, (not political claims), I, a) am convinced that urgent, concerted action is needed to save our planet, b) believe that the Carbon tax is an essential and sensible first step for Australia, and c) that it will set the Australian economy up for a bright future by leading to significant job creation.
Cheers,
Anthony
www.observationpoint.com.au