579
You're talking form your mid-brain, not your forebrain.

Carbon is not a pollutant you fool, it's the basis of all life on earth. That's like saying oxygen or water are "pollutants". The whole global warming mindset cannot be rationally defended, it is entirely an artefact of corrupt behaviour, so please don't bore us parroting the brainwashing you have swallowed.

Society doesn't get wealthier by stealing, whether or not it's legalised by the powers that be.

Mr Abbott lacks integrity on this issue. He know man made gw is cr p. He should of stuck by his original conviction and not jumped on the bandwagon. Thankfully the public have woken up thanks to the honest scientist and Abbott is not nearly as pig headed as Gillard who pushed this fraud on to the people by lying.

Individual, You force me to break my word.
Your silly question did not do it.
This is true,you over value your ability to see the issue, any issue.
Now that is not you fault, you can only work with what you have.
But your post history is contaminated by one line insults and attempts at questioning the IQ OF EVERY [explain IQ another time]one who has another point of view.
Sir/Madam consider a less confronting style, before engaging in verbal tennis first swap the table tennis bat for a tennis one.
Strings too if you can manage it.
Enjoy the thread .

579, that is typical under achiever statement.

You are quite happy to use something, just so long as someone else pays the bill.

Belly, please place this in your diary under, I'll informed Rehctub.

This is my prediction, The libs will put the bill up to repeal the tax and it will be rejected by the greens, sorry, the senet, then, they will put it up again, same deal.

The result being a DD election, so we can go back to scratch and chuck the whole lot out and start again.

So lets see who is the I'll informed one, hey!

Now back to the topic.
If you want to reduce emissions, you should tax those who cause them, us.

Give incentives for the people to find an alternative, then, charge the high users but REWARD those doing the right thing.

The result will be less power used, less power generated, less emissions created and NO TAX.

It's always better to reward people for doing the right thing, rather than forgetting them and simply punishing those who do the wrong thing.

The way they have it is that the tax is simply another expense the business has to fund and, like any expense, what goes is is not what comes out, because business has to make a profit, or at the very least, get their out of pocket expenses back.

That's why one billion going in will ne more like 1.4 B coming out.

If only the government knew how business worked, they would realize what a mess they are creating.

Meanwhile, we sit there as a nation with this very unfair disadvantage and hope and pray our jobs are secure.

Don't put your house on it!

The emissions are caused by us. That is a stupid blame to lay. Big business uses coal and oil, we have no choice but to bye the end products. Our carbon emissions are a bi product of the big polluters. To say that carbon is the basis of all life on earth, misses the point. We have to get of oil and coal. With out a penalty for polluting, it will never happen. The biggest polluters will pay the penalty, and as time goes on the pollution tax will increase.
You had better bye some insurance against power rises, by putting solar on your lid, and gradually increase your wattage as the years pass. Only the vein will get left behind.

Copenhagen and the Coalition's position on climate change are political.
The government's position, along with Academies of Science around the world, along with more than 90% of the world's climate scientists is a scientific position.
There's your difference.
Now, as to the two litre bucket analogy, yes, I would start bailing with it, so I could make a start, while, at the same time building a bigger bucket. My example of working away with a small bucket might even encourage others to bail with their two litre buckets. And if we ended up with enough two litre buckets at work, well who knows what we could achieve. Hey, we might even keep the boat afloat.
What I would not do is wait until I had a perfect bucket before I began bailing.
Anthony
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