Ok 579, you say pull our heads in and get with it.

Well, coal and oil have been the blood and the mining industry, the heart of our economy.

Even when times were tough for them, they still went out on a limb and explored, in fact, spent billions and created thousands of jobs in t prospect of finding a reliable mineral/oil deposit.

It is suggested that as many as 19 out of 20 projects failed, that equates to a 5% success rate, not to good hey!

The fact remains, that until we find an affordable alternative we have to continue to rely on them for our very existence, unless of cause you live under a rock somewhere, but I doubt that.G

I see you as one who gets up in the morning, gputs the jug on and enjoys a coffee or tea, much like the 99.9% of us.

Alternatively, you may have solar, which by the way, was subsidized by us, the tax payer, but hey, those who think like you are happy to try things, so long as someone else foots the bill.

I would also assume that you will continue with your current lifestyle as it will be the generators who pay your way, once again, not you, the user.

So in essense, we need them, but unfortunately, they don't need us. They would prefer to be here, but the reality is that if enough hurdles ar put in their way, they will leave.

So as usual, the government had put the cart before the horse, as they have no alternative yet.

It seems to be thier trend, given the latest on the pokie reform debate from one of their most senior members, Simon Creen.

He says, gets the facts first, then act.

Maybe he should be leader.

When abbott gets the ass from his party, you will need an explanation of what he done wrong.

Rehctub there is one major difference.

All the European schemes gave 90% of the permits to those who emitted CO2. Probably an admission that the pollies knew the whole thing was just a vote buying exercise from the dumb greenies, & a pay out to the finance sector, who's bonuses had got a bit thin, by their standards.

Germany even then, excepted much of it's coal fired power from the scheme.

The fact that it was then ripped off for billions showed just how dumb were the bureaucrats running the show, or perhaps how smart they were devising a system they could rip off themselves, without being caught.

God I'm sick of this bull sh1t.

Rehctub, that last sentence was not directed at you.

Sorry, it was only when I reread the post I realised it looked as if it was.

Are has been, you will go a long way to offend me.

I think we had best get back to the topic.

The fact remains the libs changed thier view on the carbon tax about the same time as the rest of the world, at the Copenhagen convention.

Why didn't Julia?