*Why are unionists any different than you, who puts a price on your product/work?*

Lol Belly, I'll tell you who put the price on farmers
work, overseas markets do. Do you think they pay double time
and a half for weekend work etc? If unionists were exposed
to the market forces that farmers are exposed to, they would
survive for about 5 minutes.

I don't think you'll ever get your mind around the CEO pay
issue, I used to think differently but it does in fact make
perfect sense. Corporate CEOs are in fact employees. As you'll
notice on OLO by posters comments, a large number of posters
think that coporations only exist for the benefit of workers
and customers, never mind the people who risk their hard earned
savings to provide the capital.

Finding a few people who have a vision for the future, can
grow the business and who actually care about shareholders too,
and not just feather their own nests, is difficult indeed.
Boards often get it wrong. Billions of shareholders money
depend on that handful of people. So it makes perfect
sense to find just who you want, reward them like entrepreneurs,
and align their interests with shareholder interests.

What they pay Joyce doesent matter on the bottom line. Even if
he worked for free, it would work to less then 20$ a week per
employee. What he decides, how he implements it, is critical.

Somebody has to actually think of shareholders and that is how
shareholders do it.

Is he the right man for the job? I really don't know, I've never
met the guy, so I could not pass an informed opinion.

Your union girl made it quite clear what was taught at union
school, Belly. She was clearly higher up in the hierarchy then
yourself, so perhaps knows more about it then you do.

Yabby,

I was an indentured apprentice with QANTAS way back. I was still a callow youth when the first Boeing 707 arrived. Showing my age.

Possibly some of the best training on the planet. It stood me in good stead for the rest of my time in aviation which included TAA, Ansett and the RFDS.

I watch with interest the current problems being experienced by QANTAS. I can appreciate both sides but cannot see a solution that will satisfy all parties.

Maybe the management of QANTAS and the unions should contract some members of the OLO Forum as advisers as there does appear to be a number who do seem to have the solutions for most everything.

Take it easy.

SD

*as there does appear to be a number who do seem to have the solutions for most everything.*

Lol Shaggy, perhaps OLO should be called the old farts opinion club :)

I think that most have long ago stopped trying to change the world,
but that does not mean that they don't have opinions about how
it all works.

There are in fact some very smart posters on OLO and I usually enjoy
reading their gems and often learn something.

Then there are plenty of friendly posters too. Belly and I actually
get on quite well and would no doubt enjoy having a beer together.
On this issue however, we just agree to disagree. Fair enough.

Yabby,

Said very much tongue in cheek!

I used to have a very black and white view of the world but it has become progressively more gray as time has gone by. Along with the colour of my hair.

Good discussion is great and I enjoy it without a doubt. I spent quite some time in locations where there was no TV and little other entertainment and discussion, for the sake of a better name, over a few beers was the prime form of entertainment.

I do fear it is fast fading as a form of entertainment.

Take it easy.

SD

Yabby/shaggy dog, not long ago I stood in the rain with unionists involved in the longest single Aviation dispute.
Over 200 days, Shaggy are you aware the fact the very training you rightfully talk of can not longer be had, that those standards died .
Yabby one thing if we ever meet, you will not tell me I am an old fart,bet on it.
Now you two, are you aware the Lady Rechtub, sorry yabby quotes.
Came from the very union, ex COMMUNIST not so sure they are not still, that won those wages yabby is unhappy with.
Time and again I say communist unions taint the whole.
From by the way SD my first day at full time work till to day this country bloke never left a job that the boss did not ask me to stay, except my walk out on a lessor man in my union job.
Read again your defamation of working class Australians who happen to be in unions.
And be grateful, good people exist on both sides and the future is not the blind silliness you two hurl around.
One job I never had was in taxidermy,I some times regret that.

I am not sure it is worth continuing the discussion .
But a few things need saying and asking.
If we ban unions will we prosper, will all workers be treated fairly.
In a world increasingly competing with one another is it a race to the bottom.
Is that bottom a place we want to live in.
How do we confront differences in living standards in country's.
Do we only feed the ones we need.
While half our country fear over population the other half want us to increase both migration and imported workers.
Unions , just as any group have opinions.
Apple growers wanted to put ALL OUR international trade in danger, yet no one hates them for that.
The National party was once country party, and why not, but why the anti union trash.
Is every good thing, our very lifestyles bought about by unions to be forgotten?
If penalty rates became outlawed no longer paid would bosses soon after schedule 10 or 12 hour days on weekends.
Forgive me, I thought I was an Aussie knock about bloke, one who helped any one long past it starting to hurt.
And am proud my ex bosses are my mates.
But, not changing it one bit I am a grub, see I will die thinking fair go mate still means something.