Suzi

Would you consider a woman who has had a number of kids and a bad relationship with a man and then living as a lesbian as being born 'gay' ?

Dear suzeonline I am reminded of an anecdote from a father who was telling a shock jock on commercial radio, about his first junkie son dying in the gutter, and that all drug dealers should be executed. He then went on to say that his other son was about to go the same way.

I remember thinking that this guy hadn't learnt a thing from the first tragedy, and probably that his prophesy was self perpetuating. If the first son had had the support of his family he may not have died in a gutter, for the second son this was most probably inevitable in the same isolation, the same paradigm.

Basically suzeonline I understand the stupidity of prejudice., but we are talking about the life experience of children here, not adults making lifestyle choices, unhealthy or otherwise.

I understand the rights of adults to make lifestyle choices, in fact I think there should be a widening of these concepts and freedoms, but none the less, as to whats the controversy here asked at the inception of this post, the controversy clearly remains.

Is this same sex couple living their political philosophy through their children ?.
If they are, I am not in favour of this.

I must follow up to say also suzeonline, that your post also attempts to support major myth number 2. That there is a link between being gay and creativity.

Of course it is not even likely that this is true. Actually the proportion of particularly artistically creative people, can be traced genetically through families, and has nothing whatsoever with being gay or not. In fact, because the overwhelming majority of people are "not gay", then it becomes obvious that the greatest chance of finding a person with a genetic disposition for artistic endeavour, would be in the community at large.

Maybe his first creative output was mistaken for sexual preference or tendency, by adults wishing to support that view.

"From that time, all her friends were certain he would be gay."

Maybe the kid never had a chance really, from the sound of that suzeonline.

What a difficult problem or not. All you have to do "adults, is to remember way back to your first memory as you as child. Its easy for me but not so for others. I'll confess, I've had the picture perfect up bring, like most here. However I was surrounded by a family of 109 members of both sexes, and depending what situation, I remember both sexes sharing the duties as it was call for.

So I had an equal amount of both sexes that's made me the persons Iam today. So in your thinking's, its out the window for families at large, yeah right.

As a child, I could feel the love through the family members, without my parents being there.

It must be like when you drop your child off at day-care, and its not "are you my mummy?, its more like the experience of love by the all.

I cried too, my first days of school.

However after getting not being with the multy family world I grew up in, I walked my first steps without the structures that I was custom to.

Community is was the island after that.

cactus

Runner, if all women who hated men 'chose' to become gay as a result of this hatred, wouldn't there be far more lesbians in the world?
I too have had hard times with men in the past, but in my wildest dreams I would never be attracted to other women.

Because of the terrible bigotry obvious in our society towards gay people, many of them live a life as a heterosexual at first.
They aren't ever happy living a lie though, so eventually they can't keep living this way.
All this is well known in our society ... where have you been?

Thinker2, like Runner, there is no reasoning with you is there.
Of course not all homosexuals are creative, but I never said that did I? No one would ever say to my friend that her son was obviously gay, and certainly he needed no 'convincing'.

I have seen it with my own eyes several times Thinker2 ... I am sorry, but people are definitely born gay.
Again, I would suggest that no amount of 'pushing' would cause someone to become gay!
Lol ...!

thinker2
I also have great respect for the egalitarianism and compassion reflected in your posts.

" think that 10 to 14 yrs maybe a formative and appropriate time to "not" introduce concepts such as sexual preference to the life of an adolescent , let alone to the life of a junior (pre 10 yrs) person. Why is this required ?. And how is this good for children as a proposition ?"

I tend to agree, there are times throughout adolescence where teens might experiment without necessarily being a precursor to homosexuality. My posts are not advocating raising sexuality as a topic for children in the same way that sex education is not usually aimed at pre-teens. Children have to first reach a level of maturity to be able to understand what is being presented. My children and their peers tend to accept that some people have different sexual preferences and think this is perfectly 'normal' in a range of people.

Like suzeonline I have gay people within my own extended family and that experience influences my view that people are born that way and many signs of that come quite early.

The whole choice vs biological is an interesting one overall. The argument that somebody can just decide to be gay is not rooted in logic (for me anyway). Even if a person could just make a choice in the same way we decide which cereal brand to buy, I would also argue that is their right. However, if you don't have an inclination to same sex that choice would not be made. Bisexuality is different in that there is attraction to the person first moreso than gender and in that way bisexuality must sit in the middle of the spectrum as say 1 being totally hetero and 10 being gay with bisexuality sitting around 4-6 (if you get my drift-plotting it on a graph).