Pelican <"Human beings are much more complex and I reckon sexual deviance sits in a category all by itself."

Quite right there Pelican, but we will never change the views of people like JayB, Thinker2 or Runner.

Jayb <", "They will prey on the unaware, hurt & demoralized people to turn them to their ways. Someone who is depressed or had a bad relationship, they are right in there with their speil about how bad " men" or Women" are & offering suttle comfort until they can..." recruit you into their cult/religion?

It doesn't sound like any gay people I have ever heard about Jayb, but maybe you know more of them than I do? But gee, it sure sounds like several religious organizations who also are well known to adopt those tactics to recruit new 'followers' doesn't it?

What I can't understand is why anyone would think anyone else would 'choose' to be homosexual? They are often vilified and bullied as children and teenagers, and then discriminated against and shunned by many unfeeling people as adults.

Have you ever had thoughts that you might want to have sex with someone of the same gender guys? If you weren't born with that tendency, I doubt anyone could 'suggest' that you be a sexually active homosexual, do you?

Anyone who claims to be 'cured' of homosexuality is either living a lie, or was never truly homosexual in the first place.

suzeonline,
Most homosexual acts world wide take place by bisexual men. So to suggest homosexuals are an exclusive underclass discriminated against is not correct.

Dear Lexi,
Unusual for me, I was watching "The View" on TV this afternoon (bad weather outside). Two of their Guests were ex Vice President Dick Chaney and his wife. Somewhere in the conversation, Dick Chaney was asked what he and his wife thought about same sex marriages. Their reply was quite intriguing, Mrs. Chaney announced that their daughter is gay, and in a gay marriage, with children. Dick Chaney said that,and I quote, "I have no problems, America is a Free Country, people have a right to make choices". Perhaps some of our Politicians might take a more Liberal approach to these matters. Enjoy your day my friend.
NSB

Dear Noisy,

I'm currently home with some virus and I'm
coughing madly, anyway, I have to spend the day
sitting up because everytime I lie down things
only get worse. So guess what? I also watched
"The View," today, and frankly was very impressed
by Dick Cheney and his wife and their attitude
towards same-sex marriage. This is the best I've
ever seen Dick Cheney - and his wife was great.
I guess it makes a huge difference when something
like that hits home - with your own children.
People tend to forget the humanity involved in
making decisions that affect people's lives.
Every gay person is afterall - somebody's child.

BTW: Wasn't it a bit unnerving - when he produced
his "heart pump," so matter-of-factly. You wouldn't
want to be out of batteries at any time . I think
I'd rather have an operation that have to carry all of
that equipment around with me.

Hi Pelican , I have a high regard for your posts, particularly when your drilling down into a subject.

Rather than hypothesise, I was rather thinking of historical behaviour (as I say in the absence of science) by the Gay community in the past when it comes to the advocation of lifestyle.

I purport that most males between the age of 10 and 14 yrs experience a gay approach, even if they don't recognise this event as such, at that time.

An example, an older male in a pool hall with a trendy car , a slab on the front seat and porn mags on the back seat, invites the younger male for a spin in his car. Unless the older male proceeds with the planned approach the younger male just goes for a spin in the car.

In the tough area I grew up in, people and situations like this, were more prevalent than imagined by the authorities/parents, when I was growing up. I also had a career as a boy soprano making it doubly hard to establish my cred in the school ground. So you might say Pelican, if anyone knows about gays and children, I do.

For the record I would say that the line between same sex preference or lifestyle advocacy and predation, is blurred at this point and I must be careful to not reflect unfairly on the gay community and understand and accept their right to choose their lifestyle.

I think that 10 to 14 yrs maybe a formative and appropriate time to "not" introduce concepts such as sexual preference to the life of an adolescent , let alone to the life of a junior (pre 10 yrs) person. Why is this required ?. And how is this good for children as a proposition ?

Thinker2, my best friend married a very anti-gay, churchgoing guy and they had 3 children. Their eldest boy only ever hung out with little girls from a very early age.
Boys seemed to shun him for some reason.
At the age of 3, he used to wear his sisters clothes and his mother's shoes around the house.

From that time, all her friends were certain he would be gay.
He was a very gifted child and wonderfully creative.
He had a lot of trouble in both primary school and high school with bullying from boys, and thus had a really sad childhood.

At the age of 19, he shocked his family and came out as gay.
No one else was shocked.

His father remains homophobic and still doesn't talk to his only son.
No one in that household, or his private Anglican Schools 'encouraged' him to 'choose' any lifestyle.
You are born gay.
No doubt about it.