Dear wobbles,

Thank goodness somebody can post without name calling. Look I won’t stay in this thread very long because its already for me lost any credibility.
People exchanging personal insults . We are not ten!.

You asked wobbles= * So how is "an alliance with the Greens" different from "an alliance with the Nats"?*

Now that is something I can help you with. Mr Warren Truss and the differences between the two parties. Deary me wobbles, on second thoughts i might be around for a while longer because i will answer that in detail. I didn’t vote ALP ( never have in my life) but i agree with what you saying about Abbott.

Wobbles said,
#I'm not interested in what Abbott's NOT going to do as much as what he WILL do but we won't know that until an election is called.#

That’s 100% correct. Hes got no policies. All hes doing is running around calling the PM names. No gentleman does that. We do want our PM if hes a man to be gentleman. Women don’t like him. He instead of showing leaderships is behaving like a nasty school girl.

She our Prime Minister is miles ahead of him in her behaviour alone. Her policies are out there whether people like them- or not. Where are his?

“”I guess it came down to which leader THEY trusted more and going by Abbotts tendency to be erratic and inconsistent, they probably made the right choice.###

Yes wobbles I think your right. As far as people go I prefer her to him and given hes has zip policies- yep i would do what they did. I think getting closer to Malaysia was a very wise too.
I think her stuff are slack. I think her Agriculture Ministers staff are slack. I think she is being treated badly by some of her own staff because she’s a women.

I will tell you about the Nats next time.

“”So how is "an alliance with the Greens" different from "an alliance with the Nats"?

There is a world of difference!

KA,

Respect is earned, Juliar has through double dealing, deceit and incompetence earned only enmity. And you have hardly held back with regards Abbott.

As for "Everybody else in AU understands she has not got full control & that came with greens- why cant you?" Actually I do understand, and so does everyone else. She had a choice between maintaining a grasp on power or keeping her promise to the voters. Obviously power was more important than integrity.

SOG,

Your review of Juliar as sociopath has merit. I have known second hand car dealers with higher integrity.

Shadow Minister

No I haven't held back at expressing my concerns about Tony Abbott SM but he is not the Prime Minister. If you wish to call our Prime Minister of Australia names- go ahead . My point was people who take politics seriously would probably stop reading even if they dont like her. There is a line you dont cross over.

I think you misunderstand me SM. I am not sticking up for her.

Its an insult to Australia and its people to call our Prime Minister names. It brings our standard down. For if we dont respect ourselves who will respect Australia. That was my meaning nothing more.

As for Tony ( & remember I used to vote libs) he and nobody else is the reason i turn my back on them. Hes intelligent but not very nice. We need both. Allow me to tell you his tactics because i do see through them. Tony is behaving to appeal to the ALP voters. Hes dropped the lib class in other words.

We all know the ALP are the rough ones and he thinks some ALP voters will come to him if he plays in the gutter. Yes I am sure some will. Trouble is hes turning the people who do not like gutter politics away. Personally I dont care - because i am not going to vote for either. Unless our PM supports one of the two bills before parliament to ban live exports. Then- she gets our votes.

Tony is a fool because Indonesian farmers are going bankrupt because of live exports but he cant see if he worked towards reopening plants he would win the job. The fact that he can see that- tells me hes not the right person for the job.

Have a nice day

It is a long time since I had any respect for Political parties; I have never found them to be particularly truthful, nor really intelligent. I went to join a party about thirty years ago and when I was told I would have to sign a promise to agree with the decisions of the majority, I decided I had too much pride in my integrity and was intelligent enough to decide what was right and what was wrong so did not join, and who ever said that the majority of any group was the intelligent ones, I have never found that. If the parties were as intelligent as you people think, why do they keep driving the economy down into a recession, it has happened four or five times over the last twenty years. The recession happens when the top tax is lowered far enough to allow people with uncontrolled incomes to increase their incomes causing higher prices of goods and services and creating bad conditions for many workers and those on a pension. The high tax should be tempered with a Zero tax on about $30,000 today to suit the treasurers requirement of that 30% of GDP. The resources exporting has further expanded the problem, and the reciprocal imports are brought in cheaper and sold cheaper and this is destroying our own manufacturing industries and the income for our workers. The unemployment figure is a farce, because the unemployment figure is only counted on those who have no permanent employment, and certainly does count those who can only get two or three days work a week, a problem which has been happening more and more over the last thirty years.

It is a long time since I had any respect for Political parties; I have never found them to be particularly truthful, nor really intelligent. I went to join a party about thirty years ago and when I was told I would have to sign a promise to agree with the decisions of the majority, I decided I had too much pride in my integrity and was intelligent enough to decide what was right and what was wrong so did not join.
If the parties were as intelligent as you people think, why do they keep driving the economy down into a recession, it has happened four or five times over the last twenty years.
The recession happens when the top tax is lowered far enough to allow people with uncontrolled incomes to increase their incomes causing higher prices of goods and services and creating bad conditions for many workers and those on a pension.
The high tax should be tempered with a Zero tax on about $30,000 today to suit the treasurer’s requirement of that 30% of GDP.

KA,

I don't confuse Julia Gillard with Australia, and don't believe that she as a person deserves any more respect as a person because she has wriggled her way back into power.

As for Abbott, he is smart, and as a Rhodes scholar has worked out that as opposition leader, he can play nicely, allow Juliar to govern with no consideration to the liberals, and fade into obscurity. Or, he can actively and vociferously expose every weakness of the labor party and its policies.

He has actively followed the second route, and the incompetence of Labor is held to the light again and again. Irrespective of the negative tag that labor has painted him with, he has achieved roughly double the popularity of the milder, policy driven Turnbull, and is now equal with the prime minister.

There is an old saying, "if you can't win, then make your opponent lose." In 18 months Abbott has turned Rudd's record primary rating to Juliar's record low rating.